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Why some verses about Trinity are missing in Bible?

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Brothers Arabs, Muslims,

bellow I am talking about Islam

with my sister Nancy.

Let’s find the TRUE God who is ONE  and who LOVES you!

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Hi Nancy,

My replies are in blue.

Second surprise which is really amazing is that you claimed to answer my questions while you just replied to some wonderings that were supposed to make you think!!!- Nancy, you will never find Truth if God will not show it to you. As you know not all people will be saved…Only Some People who are really looking for God….such people will be found by God. I am giving you reply to message. If it is not enough then look for answer yourself. It is as clear as noonday.

I am surprised … you pick only parts of my words and ignore others, like that I told you more than once that it was never the bible mentioned in Quran; it has always been the Gospel!!-

Quran itself confirms that Bible is not changed or corrupted as we read in these Suras (as we all know Holy Scriptures are mentioned in Qur’an too- we call them Bible but it is a few books…book of Moses and many other which consist the Old Testament and the New Testament) and look:

Sura 41:41. Those who reject the Message when it comes to them (are not hidden from Us). And indeed it is a Book of exalted power.

Sura 41:42. No falsehood can approach it from before or behind it: It is sent down by One Full of Wisdom, Worthy of all Praise.

Sura 15:9. We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).

These Suras say that God is guard of message that He sent in this world but Muslim scholars are saying that the Bible has been corrupted so my question is who is right? Allah’s statement or scholar’s statement? Because both are contradictory statement so both cannot be true. One of them are lying either Allah or scholar?

Quran also says in Sura 3:3, It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).

Sura 3:48 “And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,

Sura 5:46 And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.

All the above Suras tell us that Allah sent the Law and Gospel in this world and he will protect it from corruption. When Allah saying that He will guard the message that he sent then actually He is lying or He has no capability to protect His word?

I am surprised … You claim to reply to my questions while you ignore replying to my only question which I asked many times but you never could find and answer. Without rounding around the bushes, give me one direct answer in one small paragraph for my repeated question that you always ignore … I will copy and paste it here:

IF the Bible hasn’t been changed ever … then how can we find verses talking about the core belief of Trinity in some Bibles while they are missing in many other bibles, while the footnotes mention that they are not from the authentic text????

Let’s take the simplest example in John 5:7 which you gave me no answer for:

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”- I gave you links before to read about this verse. Again read here:

2001, by David W. Daniels

Question: Is it true that 1 John 5:7 is not in any Greek manuscript before the 1600s? If it is true, why is it in the King James Bible?

Answer: 1 John 5:7 belongs in the King James Bible and was preserved by faithful Christians. But the passage was removed from many Greek manuscripts, because of the problems it seemed to cause.

It is true that there is a small number of Scriptures that are not the same between the King James Bible and the so-called “Majority” Greek text. There are a number of reasons for this:

  1. The so-called “Majority” text was not really based on the majority of texts, but rather a relatively small number of manuscripts. The last person to try to find the differences between the majority of Greek manuscripts, Dr. Von Soden, did not collate more than 400 of the more than 5,000 Greek texts. In other words, what is commonly called the “Majority” Greek text is not a collation of the majority of manuscripts at all.
  2. The “Majority” Greek text is also the main Greek text used by the Eastern Orthodox religion. They had a vested interest in changing (or deleting) some texts. More on this in a moment.
  3. 1 John itself is not in a large number of extant Greek manuscripts.

So why then is 1 John 5:7 in the King James Bible, but not in many of the existing Greek manuscripts? To understand the answer, we must look at the history of what happened shortly after the Bible was written.

The Greek and Roman Institutions

During the early growth of the Christian church, ministers (whether saved or not) wrote down doctrines that they said were Christian and Biblical. Starting after the death of the apostles (about 100 AD) many people taught the lie that Jesus was not God the Son and Son of God, or that Jesus became God at His baptism, or the false doctrine that the Holy Spirit was not God or was not eternal.

The growing religion that became known as Roman Catholic, after many debates eventually agreed on the doctrine of the Trinity. So they had no reason to remove 1 John 5:7 from their Bibles, since it supported what they taught.

But the Greek Eastern Orthodox religion was combating a heresy called “Sabellianism,” and would have found it easier to combat the heresy by simply removing the troubling passage from their Bibles.

A Trail of Evidence

But during this same time, we find mention of 1 John 5:7, from about 200 AD through the 1500s. Here is a useful timeline of references to this verse:

200 AD

Tertullian quoted the verse in his Apology, Against Praxeas

250 AD

Cyprian of Carthage, wrote, “And again, of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost it is written: “And the three are One” in his On The Lapsed, On the Novatians, (see note for Old Latin)

350 AD

Priscillian referred to it [Corpus Scriptorum Ecclesiasticorum Latinorum, Academia Litterarum Vindobonensis, vol. xviii, p. 6.]

350 AD

Idacius Clarus referred to it [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 62, col. 359.]

350 AD

Athanasius referred to it in his De Incarnatione

398 AD

Aurelius Augustine used it to defend Trinitarianism in De Trinitate against the heresy of Sabellianism

415 AD

Council of Carthage appealed to 1 John 5:7 when debating the Arian belief (Arians didn’t believe in the deity of Jesus Christ)

450-530 AD

Several orthodox African writers quoted the verse when defending the doctrine of the Trinity against the gainsaying of the Vandals. These writers are:
A) Vigilius Tapensis in “Three Witnesses in Heaven”
B) Victor Vitensis in his Historia persecutionis [Corpus Scriptorum Ecclesiasticorum Latinorum, Academia Litterarum Vindobonensis, vol. vii, p. 60.]
C) Fulgentius in “The Three Heavenly Witnesses” [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 65, col. 500.]

500 AD

Cassiodorus cited it [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 70, col. 1373.]

550 AD

Old Latin ms r has it

550 AD

The “Speculum” has it [The Speculum is a treatise that contains some good Old Latin scriptures.]

750 AD

Wianburgensis referred to it

800 AD

Jerome’s Vulgate has it [It was not in Jerome’s original Vulgate, but was brought in about 800 AD from good Old Latin manuscripts.]

1000s AD

miniscule 635 has it

1150 AD

minuscule ms 88 in the margin

1300s AD

miniscule 629 has it

157-1400 AD

Waldensian (that is, Vaudois) Bibles have the verse

1500 AD

ms 61 has the verse

Even Nestle’s 26th edition Greek New Testament, based upon the corrupt Alexandrian text, admits that these and other important manuscripts have the verse: 221 v.l.; 2318 Vulgate [Claromontanus]; 629; 61; 88; 429 v.l.; 636 v.l.; 918; l; r.

The Vaudois

Now the “Waldensian,” or “Vaudois” Bibles stretch from about 157 to the 1400s AD. The fact is, according to John Calvin’s successor Theodore Beza, that the Vaudois received the Scriptures from missionaries of Antioch of Syria in the 120s AD and finished translating it into their Latin language by 157 AD. This Bible was passed down from generation, until the Reformation of the 1500s, when the Protestants translated the Vaudois Bible into French, Italian, etc. This Bible carries heavy weight when finding out what God really said. John Wesley and Jonathan Edwards believed, as most of the Reformers, that the Vaudois were the descendants of the true Christians, and that they preserved the Christian faith for the Bible-believing Christians today.

Who Has the Most to Gain? Who Has the Most to Lose?

The evidence of history shows us that the Roman Catholic religion was relentless in its effort to destroy the Vaudois and their Bible. It took them until the 1650s to finish their hateful attacks. But the Vaudois were successful in preserving God’s words to the days of the Reformation.

Now we have to ask ourselves a question: Who had the most to gain by adding to or taking away from the Bible? Did the Vaudois, who were being killed for having their Bibles, have anything to gain by adding to or taking from the words of God? Compromise is what the Roman religion wanted! Had the Vaudois just followed the popes, their lives would have been much easier. But they counted the cost. This was not politics; it was their life and soul. They above all people would not want to change a single letter of the words they received from Antioch of Syria. And they paid for this with their lives.

What about the “scholars” at Alexandria, Egypt? We already know about them. They could not even make their few 45 manuscripts agree. How could we believe they preserved God’s words?

The Reformation itself owes a lot to these Christians in the French Alps. They not only preserved the Scriptures, but they show to what lengths God would go to keep his promise (Psalm 12:6-7).

And that’s only part of the story about the preservation of God’s words.

Read here: http://www.1john57.com/jcindex.htm

There are many articles devoted to find out the truth if Bibe was changed or not. If we look to Bible we will see in  the whole Holy Scriptures that God is One and Jesus is God and Holy Spirit is God and God Father is God. Then I can boldly say that God is Father=Issa Ibn Allah=The Holy Spirit.(They are equal). In my previous message I gave you many quotes proving that God is One and each ONE of tri-unity is God. (bellow you can read it again). But of course if you will not believe in it then you will ask hundred questions about it…But why I don’t have questions if there are missing this verse in Bible about Trinity or not?

Because this verse is not important to me!

I know Holy Scripture that God is One! I know words of God that His Son is God and Holy Spirit is God …This God is my God. Read my letters about Prophecies that Issa Al massih will be cricified and look how they are fulfilled..and you will see that He is God! Jesus is God! It is evident!

”For you all Muslims … repeat after me (Jesus Loves you … Jesus Loves you …. Jesus Loves you … Jesus Loves you … ) I swear that we all love him more that you do … Islam look at him and his mother highly rather than the Christian claims about them.”

Your love to Jesus will never save you until you will believe that He is God who died to forgive your sins! I could tell you that I love Muhammad that he united Arab tribes but it doesn’t make me Muslim. Lol. But what is salvation if even Muhammad was not sure about it?!

Mohammad Wasn’t Sure about Salvation! Look!

Jabir reported that the Prophet of Islam said: “No good works of yours can ever secure heaven for you, nor can they save you from hell — not even me, without the grace of God.”

Abu Huraira related that when the verse, “Cause thy near relatives to fear,” was revealed to the Prophet of Islam, the Prophet arose and began to proclaim: “Oh people of the Quraysh, and you sons of Abdul Manaf, and you Abbas, son of Abdul Muttalib, and you, Safiyyah my aunt, I cannot save you from the punishment of the Day of Resurrection. Take care of yourself, O my daughter Fatimah; you may use my property, but I cannot save you from God. Take care of yourself” (Bukhari).

Abu Huraira reported that the Prophet of Islam said: “No one of you will enter Paradise through his good works.” They said: “Not even you, O Apostle of God?” “Not even I,” he replied, “unless God cover me with His grace and mercy. Therefore be strong, and morning and evening, nay every moment, try to do good.

Mohmmad’s prayer asking forgiveness:

Volume 1, Book 12, Number 711:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle used to keep silent between the Takbir and the recitation of Qur’an and that interval of silence used to be a short one. I said to the Prophet “May my parents be sacrificed for you! What do you say in the pause between Takbir and recitation?” The Prophet said, “I say, ‘Allahumma, ba’id baini wa baina khatayaya kama ba’adta baina-l-mashriqi wa-l-maghrib. Allahumma, naqqim min khatayaya kama yunaqqa-ththawbu-l-abyadu mina-ddanas. Allahumma, ighsil khatayaya bil-ma’i wa-th-thalji wal-barad (O Allah! Set me apart from my sins (faults) as the East and West are set apart from each other and clean me from sins as a white garment is cleaned of dirt (after thorough washing). O Allah! Wash off my sins with water, snow and hail.)”

There is NO Salvation in Islam, brothers!

Allah Promised hell for his followers:


Al-Imran (The Family of Imran)
Sura 3:185, “Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of Life): For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception.”

This Suras from Quran very clearly says that after death everyone will go to hell fire then judgment.. When a person went to hell fire then how and why it is possible that he/she can come out from hell fire and go to paradise.. no way.. This verse does not say anything about eternal life. This verse very clearly says that every believer in Allah is tasting death means they did not get the life while Jesus promised eternal life and heaven as we read in

John 10:10 “The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

And also every soul is going to hell fire till the day of judgment means they are not reaching heaven. So of course Allah promised hell fire for his believers. I said “no way” for coming out from the hell fire and go to heaven. There is no chance to go to heaven once you go to hell fire… But yes, Jesus can save you when you are still in this world as He said in John 3:15 “that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.


How a person can save himself/herself from hell fire when he/she is already in hell fire?

And this verse says that they will be there till the time of Day of Judgment. Do you think a person who is already in hell fire will get a seat in heaven after judgment? Judgment is a day when people get their sentence and verdict.. no reward my friend that day.

Allah promised hell fire for his followers but contrary to it Jesus promised heaven for His followers!

And that is the difference between LOVE and DECEPTION, brothers!

Between Islam and Jesus Christ-our Savior!

Bahira

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Nancy earlier said:

Is Christianity that weak??? you can’t preach about Christianity unless you attack Islam!!! … you sound so threatened by Islam. Or may be, you have nothing to talk about in Christianity but for the UN_JUST LOVE… You keep rounding and rounding, but you never answer this part about the missing/added verses in the bibles. I wonder if you don’t have answer at all, or you know that you can’t justify these differences in the bibles … or maybe you are doing this on purpose to mislead people you are talking to.

My replies will be in blue color:

I understand what you mean. J But please forgive me to show you truth I need to tell you what is UNTRUTH! I know that you feel upset and disappointed when we talk about such sensitive subjects…if you remember I told you about it before…I said that you will feel irritated and you will hate me after such conversations. But however I am continuing to be your friend and speak about everything because I dont care about Islam…But YOU are precious for me! I dont need to discuss all bad things in Islam but I will tell you that to show you true TRUTH and LOVE from the only ONE who loves you! God of BIBLE! GOD Jesus! Holy Spirit!

I would never say and repeat how He loves you…But I know His heart for You….I cannt leave you and be ignorant…no I am going to take you from the hell of your life and bring you to the Kingdom of God…I dont care if I will be there or not…I need you would be there…Thats why I am fighting for you in spiritual war with my prayers….to give you freedom and eternal life with your Father.

Then it will be better before quoting from any translation and say that someone else is “making a mistake” to discuss and understand … that’s in case you are seaking truth at all … which I doubt…..Please forgive me. As I told you before that I am straightforward person. Usually I say what I think…so if Gabriel was not breathed into Jesus then I said that your statement was wrong. I dint want to insult you…sorry…

I wish to understand the reason of those minds who can’t justify all these corruptions, but still quote and believe in this book!!  Wow … people are still quoting from the same book that was proved to have been corrupted!!! … the book from which verses were omitted and others were added .. verses that are forming the core base of trinity faith!!!!- they are quoting because Quran didnt say that Bible is tempered. Again I will repeat you: Muhammad believed in Bible and he a few times urged Muslims to read Bible and even he said if you dont understand Islam go and ask Christians…I will send you quotes from Quran if you need it.

If Muhammad told to read Bible if means that Muslims should do it. If they dont believe words of Muhammad. Thats ok for me too. Because I dont believe him too. If Bible during the time or before him was correct then I told you that we have such copies in museums. After his death we have also hundreds of copies of Holy Scriptures and scientists analyzed them.

Lets now look what was changed in Bible:

The Christian doctrine of the Trinity teaches the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead.The New Testament does not use the word “Τριάς” (Trinity) nor explicitly teach it, but provides the material upon which the doctrine of the Trinity is based. It required reflection by the earliest Christians on the coming of Jesus and of what they believed to be the presence and power of God among them, which they called the Holy Spirit; and it associated the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in such passages as the Great Commission: “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”[Matt. 28:19] and Paul the Apostle‘s blessing: “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all,”[2 Cor. 13:14] while at the same time not contradicting the Jewish Shema Yisrael: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.”Deuteronomy Apart from the passages that speak of Father Son and Holy Spirit, there are many passages that refer to God and Jesus without also referring to the Spirit.

According to Christian tradition the Trinity was introduced by the Gospels and Jesus Christ himself[ “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.”[Matt. 28:19-20] Jesus thus mentions the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in a phrase that may suggest that there is one name that encompasses all three.

The Old Testament refers to God’s Word, his Spirit, and Wisdom. These have been interpreted as foreshadows of the doctrine of the Trinity, as have been also narratives such as the appearance of the three men to Abraham. Some Church Fathers believed that a knowledge of the mystery was granted to the Prophets and saints of the Old Dispensation, and that they identified the divine messenger of Genesis 16:7, 21:17, 31:11, Exodus 3:2 and Wisdom of the sapiential books with the Son, and “the spirit of the Lord” with the Holy Spirit.

However, it is generally agreed that it would go beyond the intention and spirit of the Old Testament to correlate these notions directly with later Trinitarian doctrine.

The Gospel of John[John 1] opens by declaring, as usually translated: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.” The rest of John Chapter 1 makes it clear that “the Word” refers to Jesus Christ. Thus John introduces a seemingly impossible contradiction, that Jesus both “was with God” and “was God” at the same time, and that was true from the beginning of creation. John also portrays Jesus Christ as the creator of the Universe, such that “without him nothing was made that has been made.”[John 1:3]

The Apostle John is identified as the “one whom Jesus loved” thus perhaps being the closest Apostle to Jesus. Jesus also instructed John to adopt Jesus’ mother Mary as John’s own in Mary’s old age[John 19:26] such that John would have had the entire knowledge of Jesus’ family when writing his Gospel. Some scholars question this, however, as the gospel of John is believed to have been written circa AD 85-90.

Jesus frequently referred to the “Father” as God as distinct from himself, but also discussed “The Holy Spirit” as a being distinct from either God the Father or Jesus himself.

These things I have spoken to you while abiding with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. John 14:25-26

In this passage, Jesus portrays the Father sending the Holy Spirit that is the Father and the Holy Spirit are two distinctly different persons, and portrays both the Father and the Holy Spirit as distinct from Jesus himself. Thus even apart from whether Jesus was God, Jesus declares that the Father and the Holy Spirit are two different persons, both of them divine. In the same way, the Old Testament frequently refers to “the Spirit of God” as something slightly different from God himself.

The fourth Gospel also elaborates on the role of Holy Spirit, sent as an advocate for believers. The immediate context of these verses was providing “assurance of the presence and power of God both in the ministry of Jesus and the ongoing life of the community”; but, beyond this immediate context, these verses raised questions of relationship between Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, especially as concerns their distinction and their unity. These questions were hotly debated over the ensuing centuries, and mainstream Christianity resolved the issues by drawing up creeds.

The diverse references to God, Jesus, and the Spirit found in the New Testament were later systematized into the idea of a Trinity one God subsisting in three persons and one substance in order to combat heretical tendencies of how the three are related and to defend the church against charges of worshiping two or three gods.The doctrine itself was not explicitly stated in the New Testament and no New Testament writer expounds on the relationship among the three in the detail that later writers do. Thus, while Matthew records a special connection between God the Father and Jesus the Son,[Matt. 11:27] he falls short of claiming that Jesus is equal with God[Matt. 24:36] although John is more explicit and writes that Jesus Christ told the Jews: “I and the Father are one”.[John 10:30]

The most influential New Testament text was the reference to the three Persons in the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19. Other passages also were seen as having Trinitarian overtones, such as the Pauline benediction of 2 Cor. 13:14. The Gospel of John starts with the affirmation that in the beginning Jesus as Word “was with God and …was God”,[John 1:1] and ends with Thomas’s confession of faith to Jesus, “My Lord and my God!”[John 20:28]There is no significant tendency among modern scholars to deny that these two verses identify Jesus with God. The same Gospel also suggests that Jesus’ use of the term “Son of God” inferred essential equality and unity of Father and Son”…making himself equal to the Father”[John 5:18] [19:7] and saying “I and the Father are one.”[10:30] But John also suggests a hierarchy when Jesus is quoted as saying, “The Father is greater than I,”[14:28] a statement appealed to by Marcionism, Valentinianism, Arianism and others who denied the Trinity.

Summarizing the role of scripture in the formation of Trinitarian belief, Gregory Nazianzen argues in his Orations that the revelation was intentionally gradual:

The Old Testament proclaimed the Father openly, and the Son more obscurely. The New manifested the Son, and suggested the deity of the Spirit. Now the Spirit himself dwells among us, and supplies us with a clearer demonstration of himself. For it was not safe, when the Godhead of the Father was not yet acknowledged, plainly to proclaim the Son; nor when that of the Son was not yet received to burden us further.

References to Father, Son, and Holy Spirit

A few verses directly reference the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at the same time:

  • “As soon as Jesus Christ was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and landing on him. And a voice from heaven said, ‘This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.'”[Matt. 3:1617] [Mark 1:1011] [Luke 3:22] [John 1:32]
  • “The angel answered and said to her, ‘The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.'”[Luke 1:35]
  • “How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!”[Heb. 9:14]
  • “But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.” [Acts 7:55]
  • This passage contains many complex formulations of the relationship between God, Christ, and Spirit, including “the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead,”[Rom. 8:11] “all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God,”[8:14-17] and “the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.”[8:26-27]

Some even reference these as part of a single formula:

  • “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”[Matt. 28:19] (see Trinitarian formula). It has been claimed that writings of Eusebius show the mention of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to have displaced a request by Jesus that his disciples baptize people in his name, but all manuscripts of the Gospel of Matthew contain, without any variation, the mention of the Trinity.)
  • “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with all of you.”[2 Cor. 13:14]

In addition to these, 1 John 5:7 states, “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” However, this Comma Johanneum is not considered to be part of the genuine text. It is commonly found in Latin manuscripts, but is absent from the Greek manuscripts, except for a few late examples, where the passage appears to have been back-translated from the Latin. Erasmus, the compiler of the Textus Receptus, on which the King James Version was based, noticed that the passage was not found in any of the Greek manuscripts at his disposal and refused to include it until presented with an example containing it, which he rightly suspected was a gloss after the fact. Although the Latin Church Father, Saint Cyprian, is thought to have referred to the passage, it is now considered not to have been part of the original text, and is omitted from modern translations of the Bible, even from the revision of the Vulgate that is now the official Latin text of the Roman Catholic Church. n the New Testament, the Gospel of John has been seen as aimed at emphasizing Jesus’ divinity, presenting Jesus as the Logos, pre-existent and divine, from its very first words, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”;[John 1:1] and “The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.”[1:14][37] Other passages of John’s Gospel interpreted in this sense include “before Abraham was born, I am!”,[10:30] “I and the Father are one”,[8:58] “The Father is in me, and I in the Father”,[10:38] and “Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!'”[20:28] [38] John is also seen to identify Jesus as the Lord whom Isaiah saw,[Jn. 12:34-45] [Isa. 6:1-10] while other texts[Heb. 1:1-12] are also understood as referring to Jesus as God.

Expressions also in the Pauline epistles have been interpreted as attributing divinity to Jesus. They include Colossians 1:16 (“For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him”) and 2:9 (“For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form”), and in Paul the Apostle‘s claim in Galatians 1:1 to have been “sent not from men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father”.

Another biblical demonstration of Jesus as God comes from English abolitionist and philanthropist Granville Sharp who noticed the following Greek idiom, which is now called Granville Sharp’s rule: whenever two nouns that are personal, singular, and not proper names are connected in a TSKS pattern (The – Substantive – Kai – Substantive, where ‘kai’ is Greek for ‘and’) then both nouns refer to the same person. Obviously this idiom does not apply to proper namesthe phrase “The Pope and Mr. Gorbachev” refers to two separate people.Passages like Titus 2:13 and 2 Peter 1:1 fit this pattern. Therefore, when Paul says:[Titus 2:13] “The great God and savior, Jesus Christ” he is grammatically identifying Jesus Christ as the great God. It is not accurate to object that proper nouns are used in this phrase. Although God is capitalized in English in Greek grammar it is not a proper noun, and while ‘Jesus Christ’ here is a proper noun it is the word ‘savior’ that is in the TSKS construction.[45] In his exhaustive review of over 1,000 years of Greek literature Christopher Wordsworth confirmed that early church Fathers had this same understanding of the text. He writes, “I have observed…some hundreds of instances of the ‘The great God and savior’;[Titus 2:13] and no fewer than several thousand of the form ‘The God and savior'”[2 Pet.. 1:1] and in every case (when it could be determined) they spoke “only of one person.” And so this Greek idiom shows that both the New Testament authors and the early church Fathers considered Jesus to be God.

It is agreed that the Bible also refers to Jesus as a man, which is in line with the Trinitarian theological concept of kenosis.

Claims of Old Testament prefigurations

Genesis 1819 have been interpreted by Christians as a Trinitarian text. The narrative has the LORD appearing to Abraham, who was visited by three men.[Gen. 18:1-2] Then in Genesis 19, “the two angels” visited Lot at Sodom . The interplay between Abraham on the one hand, and the LORD/three men/the two angels on the other was an intriguing text for those who believed in a single god in three persons. Justin Martyr, and John Calvin similarly, interpreted it such that Abraham was visited by God, who was accompanied by two angels. Justin supposed that the god who visited Abraham was distinguishable from the god who remains in the heavens, but was nevertheless identified as the (monotheistic) god. Justin appropriated the god who visited Abraham to Jesus, the second person of the Trinity.

Augustine, in contrast, held that the three visitors to Abraham were the three persons of the Trinity.He saw no indication that the visitors were unequal, as would be the case in Justin’s reading. Then in Genesis 19, two of the visitors were addressed by Lot in the singular: ” Lot said to them, ‘Not so, my lord.'”Augustine saw that Lot was able to address them as one because they had a single substance, despite the plurality of persons. Some Christians see indications in the Old Testament of a plurality and unity in God, an idea that is rejected by Judaism, which interprets the New Testament also as not including the doctrine.

In particular, some Christians interpret the theophanies or appearances of the Angel of the Lord as revelations of a person distinct from God, who is nonetheless called God.This interpretation is found in Christianity as early as Justin Martyr and Melito of Sardis, and reflects ideas that were already present in Philo.The Old Testament theophanies were thus seen as Christophanies, each of them a “preincarnate appearance of the Messiah”.

Psalm 2 is widely considered a Messianic psalm prophetically describing the Lord’s “Anointed One” (verse 2). It contains in verse 7 the divine decree: “You are my son, today I have become your Father.” Verse 12 contains the words “Kiss the son”. While in verse 7 the Hebrew word for son is used, in verse 12 a Chaldean word is used. Support for the translation of the Chaldean word as “son” is found in its other appearances.cf.[Ezra 5:2] This psalm denotes a FatherSon relationship between God and “the Anointed One”, one who would receive the nations as his heritage (verse 8). Isaiah 9, also considered a Messianic prophecy, describes the coming Messiah as “Mighty God” (verse 6). Psalm 110 describes the LORD (understood as God the Father) sharing his eternal glory with the psalmist’s Lord (understood to be the Son, the Messiah).

In Daniel 7 the prophet records his vision of “one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven”, who “was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him” (v. 14). Christians believe that worship is only properly given to God, and that in the light of other Bible passages this “son of man” can be identified as the second person of the Trinity. Parallels may be drawn between Daniel’s vision and Jesus’ words to the Jewish high priest that in the future those assembled would see “the son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”[Matt. 26:64-65] Jesus was immediately accused of blasphemy, as at other times when he had identified his oneness with God.[John 10:33] Christians also believe that John saw the resurrected, gloried Jesus and described him as “One like the Son of Man.”(Rev. 1:13)

Origin of the formula

Trinity of the Church Fathers

The basis for the doctrine of the Trinity is found in New Testament passages that associate the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Two such passages are Matthew’s Great Commission: “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”[Matt 28:19] and St Paul‘s: “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.”[2 Cor. 13:14]

In 325, the Council of Nicaea adopted a term for the relationship between the Son and the Father that from then on was seen as the hallmark of orthodoxy; it declared that the Son is “of the same substance” (ὁμοούσιος) as the Father. This was further developed into the formula “three persons, one substance”. The answer to the question “What is God?” indicates the one-ness of the divine nature, while the answer to the question “Who is God?” indicates the three-ness of “Father, Son and Holy Spirit”.

Saint Athanasius, who was a participant in the Council, stated that the bishops were forced to use this terminology, which is not found in Scripture, because the Biblical phrases that they would have preferred to use were claimed by the Arians to be capable of being interpreted in what the bishops considered to be a heretical sense. They therefore “commandeered the non-scriptural term homoousios (‘of one substance’) in order to safeguard the essential relation of the Son to the Father that had been denied by Arius.”

The Confession of the Council of Nicaea said little about the Holy Spirit. The doctrine of the divinity and personality of the Holy Spirit was developed by Athanasius (c 293373) in the last decades of his life.He both defended and refined the Nicene formula. By the end of the 4th century, under the leadership of Basil of Caesarea, Gregory of Nyssa, and Gregory of Nazianzus (the Cappadocian Fathers), the doctrine had reached substantially its current form.

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God loves you unconditionally!

It means without any conditions!

Look what God said to you personally in Bible:


John 3:18

“Whoever believes

in him

(Jesus Christ)

is not condemned,

but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

So,  brothers, if you want to submit and believe in God who is God of LOVE then let’s believe in Him! He is Issa Al Massih who was dead and resurrected nt he third day. He is Jesus Christ who died and accepted our sins, murders and transgressions ito His HOLY BODY on the cross. His blood washed away all your sins thorough your faith into Him and repentance.

How to submit to God of LOVE?

You can trust and submit to God right now by faith through prayer. Prayer is talking with God. God knows your heart and is not so concerned with your words as He is with the attitude of your heart. If you have never trusted Christ, you can do so right now:


Jesus, my Lord, Issa Al Massih, I know that I am a sinner.

I know now that You are God.

Forgive me that I didn’t believe in You and sinned all my life.

And thank You for diying on the cross for my sin

and paying prize for it and risen again from the dead.

I am turning from my sin now.

And I am making choice to believe in You all my life

and follow You as my Savior and Lord.

Thank You for calling me and forgiving me, and receiving me, and loving me.

Thank you Lord that You adopted me through my Faith into YOU.

Help me to follow You from this day forward.

In Jesus’ name I pray. Amen.



If you prayed this prayer

then know that God promised if we confess our sins then He is faithful and just to forgive us through faith into Jesus Christ and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


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“I am the Alpha and the Omega,

the Beginning and the End,”

says the Lord,

who is and who was and

who is to come, the Almighty.

And when I saw Him,

I fell at His feet as dead.

But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me,

“Do not be afraid;

I am the First and the Last.

I am He who lives,

and

was dead,

and behold,

I am alive forevermore.

Amen.

And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.


God has so much more for you,

walk in His plan,

and you will fulfill His great commission for your life just believe in Him.

To believe in Him means to believe in His Son God Jesus, repent and live as God says in Bible. Because God is ONE and He is worthy to be praised. Don’t forget what God said:


Can a woman forget her nursing child,
And not have compassion on the son of her womb?
Surely they may forget,
Yet
I will not forget you.

(said God in Isaiah 49:15)

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