The Longsuffering of God

to SAVE you

It is YOUR decision to LIVE or to die

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Revelation 19:11-16 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse.

And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.

His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns.

He had a name written that no one knew except Himself.

He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God

And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.

Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations.

And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron.

He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:




Today I will address to my brother Walid and to you- Saudi Arabia- because heart of God LOVES you.

Listen Walid:


Walid, God of our father was NEVER in Islam. God is offering you to buy HIS treasures in the Kingdom of Heaven and your heart will be there. Find God and LOVE Him and He will be Your treasure, your gold and only then you will be rich. He is offering to white garments, because your white clothes of Islam are stained with blood of your sins. Repent Walid and God will grant you to sit with God Jesus on His throne. You will not perish after the Judgement Day. But you will live eternally as God.

Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’”
Revelation 3

Why is it so important to get right with the TRUE God? Because the Judgement Day is approaching to you. Why the Judgement Day didnt come yet? Because God is longsuffering. He is waiting for Walid and you brothers! His desire is to give you life and not to kill you. He is waiting for the last person who will TURN to God and then you brothers will be caught up to heaven. This event was called in the Bible as rapture of the church- ummah- community of believers in God Jesus. But some of us will be killed. This death is also perfect death when we are not killing as shahyds do it in Islamic jihad but we are worshiping God by being holy and forgiven by Him untill our death. There is a great difference between such death and death of shahyds. God does not avenge for the killed christians but He is showing us His LOVE even in that He is LONGSUFFERING:

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Exodus 34:6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth..

So, brothers Arabs and Muslims and you Walid, what does God say to you? What should you do?

Listen to His words and OBEY! Rend your heart and not your garments, and TURN to the Lord your God who NEVER was in Islam. For He LOVES you. He LOVED you before the creation of the world. He predestined you to be His son. He is gracious and slow to anger. He is of great kindness.

Joel 2:13 So rend your heart, and not your garments;
Return to the LORD your God,
For He is gracious and merciful,
Slow to anger, and of great kindness;
And He relents from doing harm.

Listen to God right now and get RIGHT with Him:







Revelation 4 (New King James Version)

Revelation 4

The Throne Room of Heaven
1 After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.”
2 Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne set in heaven, and One sat on the throne. 3 And He who sat there was like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance; and there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald. 4 Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and on the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white robes; and they had crowns of gold on their heads. 5 And from the throne proceeded lightnings, thunderings, and voices.Seven lamps of fire were burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
6 Before the throne there was a sea of glass, like crystal. And in the midst of the throne, and around the throne, were four living creatures full of eyes in front and in back. 7 The first living creature was like a lion, the second living creature like a calf, the third living creature had a face like a man, and the fourth living creature was like a flying eagle. 8 The four living creatures, each having six wings, were full of eyes around and within. And they do not rest day or night, saying:

“ Holy, holy, holy,
Lord God Almighty,
Who was and is and is to come!”

9 Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying:
11 “ You are worthy, O Lord,
To receive glory and honor and power;
For You created all things,
And by Your will they exist and were created.”

Revelation 5

The Lamb Takes the Scroll
1 And I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals. 2 Then I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and to loose its seals?” 3 And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll, or to look at it.
4 So I wept much, because no one was found worthy to open and read the scroll, or to look at it. 5 But one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals.”
6 And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth. 7 Then He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.
Worthy Is the Lamb
8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying:

“ You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10 And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.”

11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice:

“ Worthy is the Lamb who was slain
To receive power and riches and wisdom,
And strength and honor and glory and blessing!”

13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:

“ Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and ever!”

14 Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever.

Revelation 6

First Seal: The Conqueror
1 Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals; and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder, “Come and see.” 2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.
Second Seal: Conflict on Earth
3 When He opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, “Come and see.”4 Another horse, fiery red, went out. And it was granted to the one who sat on it to take peace from the earth, and that people should kill one another; and there was given to him a great sword.
Third Seal: Scarcity on Earth

5 When He opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come and see.” So I looked, and behold, a black horse, and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, “A quart[c] of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine.”

Fourth Seal: Widespread Death on Earth
7 When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see.” 8 So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.
Fifth Seal: The Cry of the Martyrs
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
Sixth Seal: Cosmic Disturbances
12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

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Be saved by God!

Arabs and Muslims, be SAVED by God RIGHT NOW!

Brothers, Islam and the Bible call Jesus as Kalimat-Ullah- WORD of Allah!

Will you reject God by rejecting His SON?

Look if you will reject Son, it means you dont believe in His Father Allah.
It means you are AGAINST Allah.

Islam came later after prophecies of Allah already existed that His Son Jesus will save the world from sins. So, what is Islam?
ONE of religions. Look brother, there are millions religions and all they worship millions of gods which are called
by God of Ibrahim as IDOLS.

Way for people worshiping idols is hell. Islam is among them. Why?
Because Islam makes God of our father Ibrahim
a LIAR by claiming that there is NO Son of God.
Islam is closing eyes of Muslims to the words of Allah.
Which man on the earth is able to BEAR INIQUITIES of the world? Sins of people? How SERVANT can JUSTIFY many people?
It is impossible for a man. But only for God!
We worship perfect God. He DIED instead on us. His name is the most perfect – Jesus….Isa Ibn Allah…Isa Allah…Issa Al Massih. And He is God of our father Ibrahim. Turn from sins to HIM and LIVE eternally as son of God!

Be saved right NOW

How to LIVE with God Jesus?

2 Corinthians 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, PERFECTING HOLINESS IN THE FEAR OF GOD.

Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may SERVE GOD ACCEPTABLY WITH REVERENCE AND GODLY FEAR

Fellowship with God
means YOU Arabs and Muslims
can be called sons of God.
You can be forgiven of ALL your sins!
You can be
adopted by God
THROUGH your Faith
in His Son Jesus.

Can you call Jesus the Son of God? Is He God in your life? Have you given Him absolute control of your life and future?

If not, do is right NOW!

Pray now to the LORD and accept His forgiveness of all your sins through FAITH in His Son – God Jesus Christ!

Pray God right now And be saved!

God is bringing Judgement. Return of the Lord Jesus and His Judgement day should make difference in our behavior. Live your best in purity. Be excited about meeting with the Lord. You should anxiously await with joiful anticipation of the Lord’s return. If your hearts is filled with anticipation, excitement and joy, it indicates that you are walking with the Lord. If you are NOT sure and confident that if you would die today you would go to Heaven, it means you need to get right with God. If you never said- YES- to Jesus, do it today! If you have fallen away from the Lord, come back to Him today.

We will close with prayers:

Father, we believe that Jesus is coming again. We believe we need to be ready. And Lord I am praying about any person who is reading my message and if they dont have confidence that they are ready for Your return, help them to come to You today and get right with You now. Amen.

First, recognise brother, that you are sinner. Be sorry for your sin. And ask God to forgive you right now. The way as we do that TROUGH PRAYER. That’s how we communicate with God.

I’d like to lead you in prayer. If you want Christ to forgive your sins. If you want to know that when you will die you will go to Heaven then pray this prayer with me right now:

God, I know I am a sinner. And I am sorry for what I have done. And I turn from my sin now and ask You to forgive me. Thank You that Your Son Jesus Christ died on the cross and shed His blood for me. Be my Savior and my Lord. And be my friend. I want to follow You from this day forward. Fill me with Your Spirit. And help me to be Your disciple. Thank You for accepting me. Thank You for forgiving me. Thank You that I am now YOURS. In Jesus’ name I pray. Amen.

If you sincerely asked God to forgive you then WELCOME to the family of God. Now you are adopted by God. Now you bacame His son and His inheritance. His angels have written your name in the Book of Life. And you have the BRIGHT FUTURE.

God Jesus said:

“I tell you the truth,

whoever hears my word

and believes him who sent me

has eternal life and will not be condemned;

he has crossed over from death to life. John 5:24

Walk with God and live eternally Arab nation! Amen.

Rev. 4:8 “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty,
who was, and is,
and is to come.

Brothers, God Jesus is COMING BACK to us to the earth. Be prepared to LIVE with Him and not to die without Him! Repent and make your ways straight.

To make your ways straight, then, please the Lord in all you do by BELIEVING in His Son Jesus Christ.

Turn away from a life of sin to a life of righteousness (Rom. 12:21). This is the way of peace (Luke 1:79). It is also the way to prosperity, blessings, answered prayer, joy and every good thing

(Prov. 13:21; 1 John 3:22; Heb. 13:21).

If you prayed this simple prayer above

or if you need more information or

still have questions about who Jesus is

or if you want to believe in God Jesus then
please email me and contact me (contacts are below)

because we should be together.

God called us as believers in Him or CHURCH.


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Questions and Answers


you know VERY WELL that all messages are written by me. Yes I have time and abilities to talk to Muslims
and tell them BOLDLY that there is NO God in Islam.

God is ONE and the Islamic revelations are contradicting to EVERYTHING what God of our father Ibrahim tols us before.

So, if you want to live in deception it is your choice.
Our choice to live with God and WALK on HIS WAYS.
We are gathering you all Muslims to join us and LIVE with God. Because the LAST DAY …the DAY of Judgement is APROACHING
every second of your life….there is NO time left to be dead! Be resurrected through your FAITH in God Jesus and
He will resurrect your bodies. Live and NOT die with Islam!
So, what is Islam?

Let’s read some Suras to understand its meaning:

“Today, I have perfected your religion (dīn) for you; I have completed My blessing upon you; I have approved Islam for your religion.” Qur’an 5:3, Qur’an 3:19, Qur’an 3:83

5:3. Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah. that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

So, we see that you are submitting to Allah in religion called Islam.
This religion is considered by God of our father Ibrahim as FALSE religion!
Because Islam makes Him a liar. That’s why He will JUDGE ALL of you who will follow it!
So we are allowed only to say this part of this statement:
La illah illa Allah! Because this Allah is ‘Isa Allah who is the Creator of the universe and He is coming back to HIS earth.
Get right with Him or you remain DEAD…in eternal separation from God.



I think you didnt understans what I want to tell you:
1. I said that Isalm is RELIGION given to you…NOT to us.
Quotes from Qur’an about what Islam is:

3:19. The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account.

3:83. Do they seek for other than the Religion of Allah.-while all creatures in the heavens and on earth have, willing or unwilling, bowed to His Will (Accepted Islam), and to Him shall they all be brought back.

“Today, I have perfected your religion (dīn) for you; I have completed My blessing upon you; I have approved Islam for your religion.” Qur’an 5:3, Qur’an 3:19, Qur’an 3:83

5:3. Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah. that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

2. Of course you are listening to revelations of angel ‘gabriel’. Do what you want Walid. But many Arabs are FORGIVEN by God and they

do not worship idols of Islam. They are called as HIS SONS. I came to tell you that.

No matter if you believe in it or not. Hell is your choice.

But we will NEVER go to the hell fire with you.

We believe in ONE God of our father Ibrahim and if you do not understand and do not want to understand who is He, you will NEVER comprehend HIM! You will never understand why we claim that He is ONE.

But of course hell is waiting for you…but may be not…. IT is YOUR DECISION. To worship idols of Islam and die in hell

or to join God to live with Him eternally.


Hi Bahira,

is the Bible the only book from God. – Yes. The Bible consists of many HOLY Scriptures a (Psalms, Torah,…). The Qur’an consists of the revelation given by angel. We consider him as a false angel. Of course he is not Gabriel. Because Gabriel would NEVER say revelations against God which are written in the Qur’an.

What about other Holly books like Talmud, the book of prophet David father of Solomon (Psalms) , Abraham’s Book, Moses’s Book, Noah’s Book, Quran(sent with Mohammad) and many others which belong to many prophets and messenger. Which one should be followed?.. – Only the Bible should be followed by you.

To me, if the God could live in a human body, that means there is no God. It’s impossible! The meaning of God is to have and own all the powers like creation, judgment, Justice, and many more we cant count them. Nothing could be like God. He must be unique and oneself not two or more.– Yes. Such God was God Jesus. Infinite and powerful to resurrect dead people and forgive their sins….

He doesn’t need any kids or wife. cuz if he has that means he is week and doesn’t deserve worship.

Look at the Roman Empire, they had many Gods and Goddesses. Also, in Viking’s culture they have many Gods.- Yes. There are 33 mln gods only in India now…Madness of human beings is incredible…

The history told us, that every prophet or messenger guided people to the only God and told us to follow the next prophet or messenger. – Are you led by Moses to god who is a cow? Indian cow? No. That’s why forget this misconception.

What is the position of Messenger Moses in this life?– Read the Holy Scripture about him and try to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven the same way as he was trying to be obedient God to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. But unfortunately he sinned and God didn’t allow him to enter there. It is symbol for us that to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven (our Promised Land) we need TURN from our sins and live a holy life walking with God Jesus.

And Gabriel is the angel who was sent to prophets and messengers to be like the connection between the Sky and the Earth.– Gabriel is a servant of God. He is good fighter. Angels are like navy seals who are rescuing Christians and fight to protect them and fulfill the will of God.

There r more creatures than what we know, and on other Planets too. That’s what I have learned from God Plan.– Yes. God is the Supreme Being and He created many creatures to worship Him.

Good luck Bahira, Steve– God bless you Steve! Lord Jesus, please save Steve. Lead him into the Kingdom of Heaven and allow him to enter there through FAITH in You. Amen. Bahira

Steve hi,

Madi is military leader in Islam. He will appear soon.
By us he is considered as antichrist.
So, I am just addressing 15,000 Arabs and Muslims in my messages and i am explaining them how to get right with God
and that He NEVER was in Isalm.
Yes, you are right all religions are mixed with lie and madness. But believe me there is NO
madness and lie in our God who is described in the Bible!
What is your ethnicity and where do u live?



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bahira: Sister salam!

bahira: Kashman salam!

bahira: I will try not to consider your questions Kashman…I was so busy that even could not find time to answer them…but i think i gave u many other answers…as always…lol 🙂

bahira: now

bahira: now not ‘not’

bahira: 🙂

bahira from x.x.x.228 left this message 8 hours ago:

Kashman you said:

….meaning the Holy Quran in Arabic is the direct God Words, so can I know what is God DIRECT words in ur belief?! and in which language?

I will repeat to you words said by Niqqabigirl:

What the Bible is The Bible is God’s inspired revelation of the origin and destiny of all things. It is the power of God unto eternal salvation and it is the source of present help for body, soul, and spirit (Rom. 1:16; Jn. 15:7). It is God’s will and testament to men in all ages, revealing the plan of God for man here and now and in the next life. It is the record of God’s dealings with man-past, present, and future. It contains God’s message of eternal salvation to all who believe in Christ and of eternal damnation to those who rebel against the gospel.
It is the book that contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way of salvation, the doom of sinners and the happiness of believers. Its doctrines are holy, its precepts binding, its histories true, and its decisions immutable. Read it to be wise, believe it to be sate, and practice it to be hole. It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and comfort to cheer you. It is the traveler’s map. The pilgrim’s staff, the pilot’s compass, the soldier’s sword and the Christian’s charter. Here Heaven is opened, and the gates of Hell disclosed. Christ is its grand subject, our good its design, and the glory of God its end. It should fill your memory, rule your heart, and guide your feet in righteousness and true holiness. Read it slowly, frequently, prayerfully, meditatively, searchingly, and devotionally. Study it constantly, perseveringly, and industriously. Read it through and through until it becomes part of your being and generates faith that will move mountains. It is a mine of wealth, the source of health, and a world of pleasure. It is given to you in this life, will be opened at the judgment, and will last forever. It involves the highest responsibility will reward the least to the greatest labor, and will condemn all who trifle with its sacred contents.

So, we know that ALL Scriptures, gathered in the book called the Bible, consist of the WORDS of God said to PEOPLE DIRECTLY. It means God was talking to people DIRECTLY. He is almighty and He does NOT need to send any angels to give us any of revelations. But instead of that He is WARNING us that we should reject revelations of any angels. Because the FALLEN angels or demons are deceiving us and killing us leading astray from God to the hell fire. They are fighting against God and ALL who are listening to their revelations will join these angels in the lake of fire. So, you have a choice: to OBEY God or JOIN millions of Muslims in the hell. Just remember that God is desiring to save you from the hell but you are GOING there DELIBERATELLY when you are joining these fallen angels in their waw and rebellion AGAINST God of our father Ibrahim. Are you crazy to fight with God? 1000% you will be defeated? Why? Because you are just CLAY and He formed you out of clay to be His son!!!! SON adopted by Him! Will you be His son??!! It is YOUR decision!!!!


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Physical Death Ends Probation

by Niqabbigirl » Mon May 31, 2010 11:52 am

Death Ends Probation

After death the judgment, not a second chance to live on earth and be saved. Death ends all probation for the one who dies. If he is righteous at death, his soul and spirit go to heaven awaiting the resurrection of the body (2 Cor. 5:8; Phil. 1:21-24; Hebrews 12:23; Rev. 6:9-11). If he is wicked at death his soul and spirit go to hell to await the resurrection of his body (Luke 16:19-31; Isaiah 14:9; Rev. 20:11-15). There is no such thing as purgatory or a second chance to be on probation in the Millennium or any other time. Neither is there a reincarnation or a transmigration from body to body.


by Niqabbigirl » Mon May 31, 2010 11:01 am

This is a very lengthy study about Jesus Christ NOT being the FATHER OR THE HOLY GHOST, while Jesus was on earth. Please study it carefully. May it bring each of you closer to the truth of GOD’s WORD.

Jesus Christ is Not the Father or the Holy Ghost

Many are misled in making Jesus the only person in the Godhead and more than what the Bible says He is and they rob the Father and the Holy Spirit of their own separate personalities and make them less than what the Bible says they are, thus depriving them of their rightful and separate places in the unity of God. It is highly important to know whether there are three persons in the Godhead, so as to give each His rightful place and proper love and worship, and to understand the Bible, so as not to be led astray into many false doctrines that naturally come if we permit ourselves to contort Scripture to suit Bible, or to conform to some human church creed. The following points prove that Jesus Christ is not the Father of the Holy Ghost:
1. The Father was in Heaven all the time that Jesus was on Earth; so the Father could not have been incarnated in Jesus (Matt. 5:16, 45, 48; 6:1, 9; 7:21; 16:17; 18:10; 23:9).
2. Jesus said He would confess men ‘BEFORE MY FATHER” and “BEFORE THE ANGELS” and this He could not do if He were not a separate person from the Father and the angels (Matt. 10:32-33; Luke 12:8-9; Rev. 3:2-5). Such language would permit Him to be the angels as much as it would permit Him to be the Father. The word “before” means in the presence of, or face to face with, and requires both the Father and the angels to be distinct persons from Jesus. This word could never be used if only one person were involved, any more than it could be in 1,767 similar expressions in Scripture (Matt. 14:6; 17:2; 1 Tim. 5:19-20; 6:13; Rev. 4:5-6; 5:8; 7:9, 11, 15; 8:2; etc.).

3. Jesus always prayed to the Father and addressed Him as a separate person from Himself (Matt. 11:25; 26:39, 42-46; Luke 10:21; 22:42; 23:34; John 11:41; 12:28; 17:1-25). In no place do we read of the Father praying to anyone, but the Son constantly prays to someone else outside of Himself.

4. The Father was OUTSIDE the body of Jesus protecting Him, so could not be incarnated in Jesus, or be all of God INSIDE of Jesus as some teach (Matt. 2:12-23; 3:16-17; 17:5; Luke 22:39-46; John 12:27-30).
5. All the Old Testament prophets quoted in the New Testament prove that the Father is a separate person from the Son, for it was the Father who spoke “by the prophets” and “through the Spirit” CONCERNING the Son (Heb. 1:1-3; Acts 3:21; Rom. 1:1-4; 1 Pet. 1:1-16; 2 Pet. 1:21). Note THE SPEAKER and the person SPOKEN OF in Matt. 2:15, 23; 4:6; 12:17-21; 22:41; 27:9-11; Luke 4:16-21; 24:27, 44-46; John 18:9; Acts 2:22-34; 3:13-24; 4:25-31; 7:2-50; 8:32-37; 10:34-43; 13:23-41; Heb. 2:3-9; 5:5-10). Human language means nothing in the Bible if two and three persons are not understood in such statements as these passages.
6. Both Jesus and Satan refer to the Father as a separate person from the Son. “HE [one person] shall give HIS angels charge CONCERNING THEE” (Jesus, the Son of the Father, another person, Matt. 4:6).

7. Jesus constantly referred to the Father as a separate person from Himself and as being separated bodily from Him as far as the Heaven is above the Earth (Matt. 7:21; 10:32-33; 11:27; 15:13; 16:17, 27; 18:10-35; 20:23; Mark 12:32; John 5).

8. The New Testament writers called the Father, “The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,” but such could never be if He were the Lord Jesus Christ (Eph. 1:3, 17; 3:14; 1 Pet. 1:3; Matt. 27:46; John 20:17).
9. The phrases “the Son of the Father” (2 John 3), “his Father” (Matt. 16:27; Rev. 1:6; 14:1), “my Father” (used 57 times, Matt. 7:21; John 15:1; Rev. 2:27; 3:5; etc.), “my God” (John 20:17; Rev. 3:12), and other like statements made by Jesus of His Father and by others of God being the Father of Jesus could not be true if Jesus were the Father and the only person called God. If Jesus spoke of God the Father as being His Father and His God, then He either lied or told the truth. Such language demands of us to believe in another person who is the God and Father of Jesus Christ. Not once did Jesus or any Bible writer use such terms as Jesus, the Father, the Father Jesus, spirit-Jesus, Father Jesus, one person in the Godhead, Jesus only, and other unscriptural terms used by some people.
10. Jesus in parables illustrates His relationship to the Father as that of a Son and as a separate person from the Father (Matt. 21:33-46; Luke 20:9-18; John 15:1-10). To believe in only one person as being both the Father and Son in these passages is to make Jesus a plain liar. If He said He was “the vine” and the Father was “the husbandman” (John 15) and if God the Father is compared to “a certain householder” and the Son is compared to “his son” and “heir,’) then this relationship is the truth and nothing but the truth, thus distinguishing two persons known as “the Father” and “the Son” (Matt. 21:33-46; Luke 20:9-18).
11. Jesus taught men to go directly to the Father in all prayer and not pray to Him at all: “YE SHALL ASK ME NOTHING …. Ask the Father IN MY NAME, he will give it you” (John 14:12-15; 15:16; 16:23-28). What could be clearer than that Jesus is not the Father? If men are commanded to “ASK ME NOTHING” but to “ASK THE FATHER” instead, then He is not the Father. It is one of the most unreasonable doctrines under the sun to teach that Jesus and His Father are one and the same person and that the body of Jesus is the Son and the inner man of Jesus is the Father. It is ridiculous to ask men to pray to one part of a person in the name of another part of the same person, or to call two parts of one person by different names-one part called the Father, or inner part, and another part called the Son, or the body part, one part to be the authority to go to the other part in prayer, or more ridiculous still, as some people do, to ignore the Father part and pray only to the Son, or body part. If the language of Jesus does not refer to two persons, then we have to conclude that He did not know how to use the human language.
12. On certain occasions Jesus thanked the Father, “looking zip to Heathen,” where the Father dwelled (not looking inside of Himself to a Father that dwelled within (John 11:41; Matt. 26:25-27; Mark 8:6; 14:23). Was Jesus giving thanks to Himself and teaching us by example self-praise and self-worship, or was there a real Father OUTSIDE of Him who dwelled in Heaven as a separate person?
13. Many statements were made concerning the Father that could not have been true of Jesus: the Father was in Heaven while Jesus was on Earth (Matt. 5:1, 48); the Father knew things that Jesus did not know (Matt. 10:29-31; Mark 13:32; Acts 1:7; Rev. 1:l); the Father was “good,” but Jesus did not claim any such quality in Himself (Matt. 19:17); the Father was on a throne, and Jesus was not (Matt. 23:22); Jesus is coming in the glory of the Father and not in His own glory (Matt. 16:27); Jesus prayed to the Father and never to Himself (Matt. 26:39-42; John 17); Jesus prophesied that He would be exalted at the right hand of the Father (Matt. 26:64), and later the apostles said He was there (Acts 2:33-36; Eph. 1:20; Col. 3:1; Heb. 1:3; 8:1; 12:2; Rom. 8:34). Stephen actually saw Jesus with his own eves on God’s right hand (Acts 7:56-59). Jesus committed His spirit to God the Father at death, proving He died, but the Father did not die (Luke 23:46). Others saw Jesus as a separate person from the Father (Dan. 7:9-14; Rev. 5:1-7).
14. Jesus claimed that He was SENT BY God, that HE CAME FROM God, and that He WAS GOING BACK TO God (Matt. 15:24; John 3:16-18, 34; 5:30, 36-37; 6:29-40, 44, 57; 7:16, 28-29; 8:16-18, 29, 42; 9:4; 10:36; 11:42; 12:45, 49; 15:21; 16:5; 17:3, 8, 21-25; Gal. 4:4; 1 John 4:9). These Scriptures would not make sense if only one person were referred to. The sense in which God sent Jesus is the same sense in which Jesus sent His disciples (John 17:18; 20:21) and the same sense in which the Father and the Son sent the Spirit into the world (John 14:16-17, 26; 15:26; 16:7-15). Being sent does not make the one sent the same person as the one who sends. If so, then the disciples all became Jesus Christ when they were sent by Him. If being sent proves two persons, the sender and the one being sent, then it proves that both Jesus and the Holy Spirit are separate persons from each other and from the Father, for both were sent by the Father.
15. Jesus plainly told Peter that His Father in Heaven was not “flesh and blood,” and He told the Samaritan woman His Father and His God was “Spirit” (Matt. 16: 16-17; John 4:24; 19:34). Because Jesus was flesh and blood and did not claim to be “spirit” even in His resurrected state, He could not be the Father (Luke 24:39; John 19:34; Rom. 8:3).
16. Peter received a revelation from the Father in Heaven of the Sonship of Jesus (Matt. 16:17) and also actually heard the Father’s voice from Heaven say of the Son on Earth, “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased, hear ye him” (Matt. 17:5). Peter later testified that this voice came from Heaven and that it was not a voice inside of Jesus (through practice of ventriloquism). He said later that it came “FROM GOD the Father . . . FROM the excellent glory . . . FROM Heaven (2 Pet. 1:16-18). John the Baptist also heard this voice FROM Heaven while Jesus was on Earth (Matt. 3:16-17). They did not say Jesus was the Father in Heaven speaking, and they never believed such.
17. The Jews never understood that Jesus claimed to be the Father, but that He claimed to be the Son, thus making Himself equal with God (Matt. 26:64; 27:40-43; John 5:17-35; 6:45; 8:13-38; 10:34-39; 19:7). If He had claimed to be the Father, the only God, all of God, and the only person of the Godhead, they would have had a just case against Him, for not one of the prophets ever foretold this doctrine, but they did say that God would have a Son as a separate person from Himself.
18. Jesus called the Father “my God” even after the resurrection (John 10:17; Rev. 3:12; Ps. 22:1-10). He could not be His own Father and His own God. If He were the only person in the Godhead, this would be a false statement
19. The angel Gabriel, “the angel of the Lord” (whom some sects say was God Himself) did not know that Jesus was the only person in the Godhead, for he spoke of a God still in Heaven and called Jesus only “the Son of God” and “the Son of the Highest” (Matt. 1:18-25; Luke 1:19, 27-38; 2:21).
20. All the angels in Heaven were as ignorant as Gabriel, for they praised and gave glory to a “God in the highest,” who was outside of the baby Jesus in the manger (Luke 2:8-16). It would not be a sin for us to believe that they, being just from Heaven and having come from the Father in the highest and having more intelligence than any man, knew that there was still a “God in the highest,” who was one person, and that Jesus in the manger on Earth was another person.
21. Zechariah, Elizabeth, Mary, and Simeon were also ignorant of the theory that the baby Jesus was the Father and all of God, for they talked TO and PRAISED a “God” outside of the baby Jesus (Luke 1:36-56, 67, 79; 2:25).
22. The shepherds also belonged to the ignorant class and were deceived by the angels, if some human doctrines are right, for they said, “The Lord hath made known to us” about the baby Jesus. Jesus was a new-born child and was not big enough to make anything known to the shepherds; so if “the Lord” had made known something to them, then there must be a “Lord” outside of Jesus, who did this (Matt. 2:12; Luke 2:8-38).
23. Mary and Joseph acted in utmost ignorance that all of God was in the baby Jesus when they brought Him to the temple “to present him to the Lord” (Luke 2:23). Who was this “Lord,” or “Jehovah God,” they presented Him to? How could they present the only Lord to Himself?
24. In Luke 2:40-52 we have some senseless expressions if there is only one person in the Godhead. Jesus whom some say is the only God and Father Himself, says, “I must be about MY FATHER’S business.” Luke said, “The grace of God was upon him…. Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.” What Luke really meant, according to some, was that the grace of Himself was upon Himself and that Jesus the only God and His own Father increased in wisdom and in favor with Himself and with man. Common intelligence rebels against such foolishness. Is it any wonder that the subject of God is so hard to understand if we prefer such nonsense to good sense?
25. Even demons knew that Jesus was not the Father, for they called Him “the Son of God,” thus demonstrating sense enough to know there must be a separate person from the Son if there was a Father who had a Son. They also called Him Christ, thus proving they had sense enough to know there had to be someone else to anoint Him and make Him the Christ, or the anointed of God (Luke 4:34,41).
26. John the Baptist knew the Father, but he did not know the Son in the wilderness, for “the word of God,” or of a person called God, came to him in the wilderness while Jesus was still at Nazareth and told him how he would know the Son (Luke 3:2; John 1:31-34). Shall we believe that the inner man of Jesus was in the wilderness speaking to John while only the body of Jesus was at Nazareth dead? (Death is the separation of the inner man from the body, James 2:26.) Shall we also believe that the Father God and all of God was in the womb of Mary and yet filled John the Baptist at the same time? If John was filled with the Holy Ghost all these years as is clear from Luke 1:15, if he did not know Jesus, and if he was not filled with Jesus, then Jesus could not be the Holy Ghost. If John knew the Father and not the Son, knew God and not Jesus, then Jesus could not be the Father and the God that John knew. There must have been one person called God that John knew and there must have been another person called Jesus, Who was also Deity, that John did not know, thus proving two persons. If he was filled with the Holy Ghost and knew God as a separate person from the Holy Ghost and did not know Jesus who was still another separate person, then there must be three persons in the Godhead called “the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost,” as plainly stated in 1 John 5:7-8; Matt. 28:19; Eph. 4:4-8; 2 Cor. 13:14; 1 Cor. 8; Rev. 1:4-6
27. God “gave his only begotten Son,” but He Himself remained in Heaven; so there must be two separate persons referred to in John 3:16-18, 31-36; Matt. 5:45-48; 18:19; etc. If it is true, as some argue, that God the Father is the inner man of Jesus and the Son was the body of Jesus, that God the Father gave Himself and died Himself, and that the Father inside of Jesus could say of Himself, “I created the body you see. I am the Father and this body is my Son,” then the phrase “Son of God” should be understood as body of God; “sons of God” should be bodies of God; “my Son” should be My body; “my sons” should be My bodies; this Son” should be His body; “his sons” should be His bodies; and “thy sons” should be Thy bodies. It should make sense in every Scripture to substitute “body” for “Son” and “Son” for “body.” Try “”body” for “Son” in Matt. 11:27; John 1:18; 3:16-18, 35-36; 5:21, 25-26; 10:36; Acts 3:13; 8:37; 9:20; Gal. 2:20; Rom. 1:9; 5:10; 8:29; Heb. 1:2; 11:17, and see how ridiculous such an idea is.
If the body of Jesus was the Son of Jesus, and the inner man of Jesus was the Father of Jesus, then how could the Father say to the body, “I am the Son [body] of God?” If the Father inside was talking to the Son outside, then the body could not be the Son. How could the Son (body) be called “Jesus,” as in Matt. 1:21; 8:29; Mark 1:1; Acts 8:37; 1 Cor. 1:9; 1 John 1:3, 7; 3:23; 5:20; 2 John 3, and “Christ,” as in Matt. 16:16; 22:42; 26:63; Luke 4:4; John 20:31, if these two names have been the names of the Father from all eternity, as some argue. The Son (body) had a beginning in Mary 1900 years ago. These names were not the names of God from all eternity, for they were names given to the Son when He was born about 1900 years ago. Not one time are these names used of either person of the Godhead until Jesus was born and anointed by God the Father.
The word “Jesus” was the human name given to the Son of Mary eight days after He was born (Matt. 1:16, 21; Luke 1:31-35; 2:21). It was and is still a common name like John, James, and other names. Josephus mentions thirteen men who are called Jesus. Several are mentioned in the New Testament (Acts 7:45; 13:6; Col. 4:11; Heb. 4:8; Matt. 1:21). Several in the Old Testament are called “Joshua” and “Jeshua” and hundreds of people throughout history have been called Jesus and Joshua. If the New Testament had been written in Hebrew instead of Greek Jesus would have been called Joshua. The word “Jesus” is not an heavenly or divine name. It is an earthly human name given to the second person of the Godhead when he became a man. Therefore, it is His name as a man and not His name as God.
The word “Christ” literally means “anointed” and is a name applied to Jesus when He became the anointed of God. It is like the word “Jesus,” a name of his humanity, and of His anointing as a man and not His name as God. It is the same as the Hebrew word translated “Messiah” (Dan. 9:24-27; John 1:41; 4:25). Jesus became the anointed of God or Christ thirty years after He was called Jesus. It was predicted in prophecy that God would make Him the “Anointed” (Ps. 2:1-12; 143:11-18; Isa. 11:1-2; 42:15; 61:1-2). History records that the time He became the “Anointed” of God was at His baptism (Matt. 3:16-17; 12:15-20; Luke 3:21-22; Acts 10:38). Jesus confirmed the time He became God’s “Anointed” (Luke 4:16-21). Jesus was anointed with the Holy Ghost and not with oil. He was anointed because He was the Son of the Father and it proves two persons-the one who anointed Him and the one who was anointed. Passages such as Luke 2:26; Gal. 3:17; 1 Pet. 1:11 should be understood in the same sense as we would say that President George Washington was a surveyor. He was not this when he was president, but since he became president we could speak of any event of his life before he became president as what President Washington did. So it is with Christ. Since He became God’s Christ we can now speak of Christ doing certain things even before He was anointed.
28. The Bible never speaks of the Father dying, but it does say that the Son died (Rom. 5:10; Heb. 6:6; John 3:16-18). The Son died in the same sense that other men die-the inner man left the outer man (James 2:26). This proves that the Father and Son were two separate persons.
29. Jesus was “the only begotten of the Father” and “his only begotten Son,” and He had to be a separate person from the Father in order to be begotten by the Father, and the Father had to be a separate person from Jesus in order to beget Him (John 1:14,18; 3:16-18; 31-36; 1 John 5:1). No person can beget himself, or be begotten by himself, and no person can be his own father or son. Neither can any person beget part of himself, or be begotten by part of himself.
30. Many statements in the gospel of John prove that Jesus did not claim to be the Father, but He did say that God was His Father and His God (John 5:8-45; 10:18-36; 14:28; 20:17; Rev. 3:12); that God worked only through Him, and that He COULD DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF (John 5:19, 30); that He not only COULD NOT, but that He DID NOT DO ANYTHING OF HIMSELF (John 5:30; 6:38; 8:28; 12:49-50); that He did only the Father’s will and lived BY THE FATHER, as men are to do His will and live BY HIM (John 6:57), and that the work of God was to believe on the one whom the Father had sent (John 6:29; 3:2; 5:18; 8:54; 14:1).
He said that His doctrine was not His, but it was the Father’s (John 7:16-17; 8:26, 38; 10:18; 12:49-50; 14:10-11; 17:8, 14) and that if anyone would do the will of God he should know that He did not come and SPEAK OF HIMSELF, but that He spoke of the Father who had sent Him (John 7:16-18).
He claimed that His message was true because He did not SPEAK OF HIMSELF, but that He spoke of the Father (John 7:18; 5:30-38; 14:10-11), that He spoke only what He had HEARD FROM THE FATHER (John 8:26-28,38-40), that He taught BY THE FATHER and that His teaching was not of Himself (John 8:28), that He did not PLEASE HIMSELF, but He lived to please the Father (John 8:29), that He was the “Son” of the house and not the “Father” of it (John 8:35-36;) Heb. 3:6), and that He had THE SAME RELATION TO THE FATHER that the Jews had to their father the devil (John 8:16,35-44; 9:4).
He taught that He, Himself, honored the Father as all men should (John 8:49); that He did not seek HIS OWN GLORY, but that there was “one” (not Himself, but ANOTHER, the Father) that honored Him and sought His glory (John 8:50, 54; 12:26-28; 14:12-15; 17:1-5, 10); that He and the Father knew each other, but they were not each other (John 8:55; 10:15); that the Father loved Him for His unselfishness (it takes two people to love and be loved, John 10:17-18); that He had received commandments from the Father, and they were not His own (John 10:18; 12:49-50; 15:10); and that the Father gave Him His disciples (John 10:29; 17:1-25). He further claimed that he was equal to the Father as to deity and some things, but not equal in other things (Mark 13:32; John 5:17-39; 8:13-19, 29-42; 19:18, 24-29; Acts 1:7; 1 Cor. 11:3; Rev. 1:1); that He was not a “Spirit” being like His Father (Luke 24:39); John 4:24; Phil. 3:21); that He and the Father were in each other (united as one) in the same sense He and the believers were one (John 10:38; 14:10-11, 23; 17:11, 21-23; 2 Cor. 5:17); and that He was the only way to the Father (John 14:6). Such simple language as that in all the above-listed passages cannot be understood except in connection with two separate persons.
31. Jesus said that if He bore witness “of Himself” and if He was the only one that did bare witness, His testimony would not be true and He would not expect men to believe it any more than civil courts would accept only one witness (John 5:21-23, 36; 6:38; 7:16-17, 28; 8:13-19, 37, 42, 54; 12:44, 49-50; 14:10-11; 17:1-25). God repeatedly said in both Testaments that “in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established” (Num. 35:30; Deut. 17:6-7; 19:15; Matt. 18:16; Luke 24:48; Acts 1:8,22; 2:32; 5:32; 7:58; 10:31; 1 Thess. 5:19; Heb. 10:28-29; 12:1; Rev. 11:5). Would God make a fixed law to establish truth by two or three separate witnesses and then break His own law and expect men to have confidence in Him? He would have no grounds to punish man for rejection of God’s witness if God were only one person. We not only have to believe that Jesus was only one of two or three separate witnesses as He plainly states, or make Thessalonians untrue, but we have plain Scripture stating that “there are three” that bear witness, “the Father, the Word [Jesus], and the Holy Ghost” (1 John 5:7-8).
Jesus continued by saying that He had greater proof or witness than John the Baptist who had two witnesses, the Father and the Holy Ghost (John 1:31-34; 5:36). John did not have the miracles to confirm his word as did Jesus, who had the same two witnesses that John had plus the miracles (John 2:11, 23; 3:2; 4:54; 5:20, 36; 76:2, 26; 7:31; 9:16; 10:25-37, 41; 11:42-47; 14:10-12; 15:24). When Jesus said, “I am not alone, but I [one person] and the Father [another person] that sent me” and is with me also bear witness, He simply stated that there were more persons in the Godhead than He, thus fulfilling the Word of God concerning more than one witness to establish a fact. He plainly said that the two witnesses in this testimony were the Father and Himself. “I am one that bears witness of myself, and the Father that sent me [another person] beareth witness of me” (John 8:13-18, 29; 16:32). Again, in John 8:29 He said, “The Father bath not left me alone’ and in John 16:32, “every man to his own and leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.” What could be more clear in proving two distinct persons, called “the Father” and “the Son,” both of them equally God? On the other hand. What foolish statements these are if Jesus is the only person in the Godhead.
32. In the following eighty separate statements of Scripture by Jesus Christ, He constantly affirmed that He was not the Father and not the only person in the Godhead. The grammar of these passages will not permit us to believe in only one person as being referred to. Jesus is the speaker, but He is not the one spoken of, as is made clear by reading these statements concerning Him and His Father.
If we are not going to believe what God says in His revelation concerning Himself, His Son, and the Holy Spirit, then He is under no further obligation to give another revelation in order to make the subject of God clear to men. If we will not believe one revelation, we would not believe another. If we will believe at all, then let us believe these scriptural facts of human language concerning more than one person in the Godhead. Then we will not have to teach that God is a mystery, that the trinity cannot be understood, and the other foolish doctrines as expressed by men who refuse to take the plain language used by God in the Bible revealing the trinity of separate persons in the Godhead, as seen in Matt. 7:21; 10:32-33; 11:27; 15:13; 16:17; 18:10, 19, 35; 19:17; 20:23; 24:36; 25:34; 26:29, 39, 42, 53; Luke 2:49; John 5:17, 43; 6:32, 65; 8:19, 28, 38, 49, 54; 10:17-18, 25, 29, 30, 32, 37; 12:26-28; 14:7, 12, 20, 21, 28; 15:1, 8, 10, 23; 16:23-26; 18:11; 20:17, 21; Rev. 1:1; 2:27; 3:5, 12; 5:1-7, 13; 7:9, 15-16; 10:6; 11:15; 12:10; 21:22-23; 22:1-5.
33. Jesus said that His Father was “greater than all” and “greater than I” (John 10:29; 14:28). He then could not be the Father. Paul also stated that the Father was the “head of Christ” (1 Cor. 3:23; 11:3).
34. God the Father said of Jesus, “my beloved Son” (Matt. 3:16-17; 17:5; Ps. 2:7). Jesus said of Himself, “I am the Son of God” (John 10:38). An angel declared Him to be “the Son of the Highest” and “the Son of God” (Luke 1:32-35). Demons said He was “the Son of God” (Mark 3:11) and “Son of the Most High God” (Mark 5:7). Apostles stated repeatedly that Jesus was only “the Son of God” (Matt. 14:33; 16:16-17; Mark 1:1; John 11:27; 20:31; Acts 9:20), “the only begotten OF THE FATHER” (John 1:14, 18; 3:16-18), “his own Son” (Rom. 8:32), “the Son of the Father” (2 John 3), and “his dear Son” by whom God the Father created all things (Col. 1:13-18). John said, “the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world” (1 John 4:14); SO there must be two separate persons referred to. John the Baptist also bare record “that this was the Son of God” (John 1:31-34). Others confessed that Jesus was “the Son of God” (Mark 15:39; 1 John 1:49; Acts 9:37), but not once did God, angels, demons, or men say that He was the Father.
35. Both the Father and the Son talked to each other in audible voices at the same time and place, and both voices were heard by a number of witnesses, so there had to be two persons who had their own separate bodies, voices, minds, etc., to be Able to speak to each other in the same sense other persons do. (Matt. 3:16-17; 17:5; John 12:27-30; 2 Pet. 1:17).
36. Jesus taught that when men receive Him they also receive the Father, as when men receive Christ’s disciples they also receive Christ (Matt. 10:39-41). This does not mean that the Father and the Son were the same person any more than it proves that Christ and the disciples become one person ashen men receive Christ through them. Separate persons are involved in both statements, as is clear.
37. God the Father is called “he” (John 14:16); God the Son is called “he” (John 8:23-25); and God the Holy Ghost is called “he” and “another” (John 14:16-17, 26; 15:26; 16:7-15), so if personal pronouns are used of each person in making a distinction between them as is done with other persons, there must be three separate persons.
38. Christ is symbolized by “the vine,” and the Father is spoken of as “the husbandman” in John 15:1-16. It is just as intelligent to call any vine its own keeper and both of them one person as to do so here. This figure clearly proves two persons.
39. Jesus taught that He and the Father had the same relationship to each other as did He and His disciples (John 15:10). Such relationship proves more than one person. One person could not have such relationship by Himself as is required of separate persons in this passage.
40. The word “both” means “two” and is used of the Father and the Son, thus proving two persons (John 15:24; 2 John 9).
41. The word “also” is used of the Father and Son, thus proving two separate persons (John 5:19,27; 8:19; 13:32; 14:1).
42. Jesus again speaks of Himself and the Father as “two” persons: “They have not known the Father [one person] nor me” (another person). Again, “I go my way to him that sent me (John 16:3, 5). Then He speaks of Himself and the Spirit as two persons: “If I [one person] go not away the Comforter [another person] will not come unto you, but if I depart, I will send him unto you” (John 14:16-17, 26; 15:26; 16:7-15). Jesus did not say that He would come back as the Holy Ghost, but that He would stay in Heaven and “send him unto you,” as fulfilled in Acts 2:33-36. If those who believe in only one person in the Godhead are not capable of understanding the most simple human language, then their case is hopeless.
43. Jesus used personal pronouns in referring to Himself and the Father (John 14:23; 17:1-25; etc.) He used the first, second, and third personal pronouns of Himself, the Father, and the Holy Spirit; and not once do we find Him misusing them (John 14:12-17,23-26; 15:1-26; 16:7-15; 17:1-25). If they were used rightly, then there must be separate persons in the Godhead. John 17 alone has 162 personal pronouns used by Jesus to and of Himself, of the Father, and of His disciples. He repeatedly calls the true God “Father” and calls Himself “thy Son.” He prayed for the disciples to be “one” as He and the Father were “one,” and this could not refer to “one person” but “one” in unity. Jesus used “I” and “me,”) first personal pronouns, in referring to Himself, and “thou,” “thee,” and “thine,” second personal pronouns, in referring to the Father, whom He was addressing. He used “they” and “them” in referring to the disciples for whom He was praying and “we” and “us” when referring to Himself and His Father, proving that He and His Father were more than one person as much as the disciples were.
44. Jesus said, “All power is given unto me in Heaven and in Earth” (Matt. 28:18). Somebody had to give Him this power, and He had to be greater than Jesus, or He would not have it to give. The only one Jesus said was “greater than I” is the Father (John 14:28). The apostles later confirmed this fact of the Father being greater than Jesus, for they said that the Father was “the head of Christ” (1 Cor. 1:13), that Jesus had been exalted by the Father above everyone else (1 Cor. 14:24-28, Eph. 1:20-23; Phil. 2:8-11; Heb. 1:1-3, 12:2; 1 Pet. 3:22), and that the Father had made Jesus both “Lord and Christ” (Acts 2:33-36), the heir of all things (Heb. 1:2; Rom. 8:17), the medium of approach to God (Heb. 1:4; John 3:16-18; Acts 4:12; 1 John 3:23; 5:13), and the source of redemption to men (1 Cor. 1:30). These facts prove the Father to be a separate person from the Son.
45. Jesus said that He was the same that He claimed to be “from the beginning (John 8:25). Because He always claimed to be only the Son and not the Father, we can rely upon the fact that He could not be the Father. The statement “He that hath seen me hath seen the Father” (John 14:9), does not say that He was the Father. The Greek word for seen is horao, to discern, so experiences perceive, comprehend. Like the English word seen, it means here to truly comprehend and not only to see with the eyes, as it is used in John 1:18; 6:46; 8:38; 1 John 3:6; 2 John 11.

No statement in John 14 says that Jesus was the Father in person, but six times this chapter makes it clear that He was not the Father:

(1) “Ye believe in God [one person], believe ALSO in me” (John 14:1-2)

(2) “In my Father’s house [not my house] are many mansions” (John 14:1-2).

(3) “No man cometh UNTO THE FATHER, but BY ME” (John 14:6).

(4) “If ye had known ME [Jesus], ye should have known MY FATHER [another person] ALSO” (John 14:7).

(5) “He that hath seen [comprehended, experienced] ME [one person] hath seen [comprehended, experienced] THE FATHER (another parson, John 14:9). In John 1:18 it is stated that no man had “seen” (fully comprehended) the Father save Christ, who came to reveal and declare God to men. If Christ came truly to demonstrate God, then John 14:9 proves He had succeeded in bringing God to men in actual demonstration of Him by His own life.
(6) “I [one person] am in the Father [another person] and the Father in me. . . . I speak NOT OF MYSELF; but the Father that dwelleth in me, HE DOETH THE WORKS. I [Jesus] go to the Father,” so He could not be the Father (John 14:10-15). “He that hath seen me hath seen the Father” is a statement of true representation of another person (1 John 2:6; 3:3,7; 4:17; 1 Cor. 11:1; Phil. 4:9; 2 Cor. 3:1-3, 18; Rom. 8:29). One who is truly like Christ as He was like the Father can say, “‘He that hath seen me hath seen Jesus Christ.”

General Topics

by Niqabbigirl » Sun May 30, 2010 12:16 am

Thought I would make a new thread where we can posts things that do not fit in a particular catogory.
I thought this was beautiful….

Pamela Barnett May 26 at 7:20am Reply
Lord, in every need let us come to You with humble trust saying, “Jesus, help me.”
In all our doubts, perplexities, and temptations, Jesus, help us.
In hours of loneliness, weariness, and trials, Jesus, help us.
In the failure of our plans and hopes; in disappointments, troubles, and sorrows, Jesus, help us.
When others fail us and Your grace alone can assist us, help us.
When we throw our self on Your tender love as a Father and Savior, Jesus, help us.
When our heart is cast down by failure at seeing no good come from our efforts, Jesus, help us.
When we feel impatient and our cross irritates us, Jesus, help us.
When we are ill and our head and hands cannot work and we are lonely, Jesus, help us.
Always, always, in spite of weakness, falls, and shortcomings of every kind, Jesus, help us and never forsake us.


Re: General Topics

by Niqabbigirl » Sun May 30, 2010 12:18 am

JoJo ‘snap’ Mcquade May 25 at 6:16am Reply

Father we thank you for the many blessings you pour out upon us. We thank you for the many healings you have shown us and performed in us. Father we thank you that it is you who takes our burdens and we no longer need to be worried or hurt because we are able to leave them to you. We thank you that you are with us always. Father we bring those to you who are hurting, those who are suffering, facing trials. May they know you’re peace is surrounding them. Your angels are with them. May they know that no matter what they are going through that you are with them and you turn what Satan does (bad) into good. May each and every one of us be greatly blessed. May the lost be found. Father we also pray for those who are feeling insecure. May they be able to hold tight to you and know they are secure because you are with them. May those hurting know you are healing them and strengthening them because through faith we know you are! We are able to say we are healed without lying because we know we are healed through your grace!! May each of us be blessed greatly. Thank you for every person on this group helping to do your will. May all other groups be blessed also for the work they do for you also. Thank you Father. In the mighty name of Jesus we pray. Amen!!

Lord i ask you to protect all the pastors priest and ministers around the world from the attacks from satan.
I lift up all the churches to you Lord so that you can help them in strength heal the people in these churches of all there sin and sicknesses .
Lord i pray you give them courage to say no to these attacks and yes to your great love Lord in Jesus name Amen

May God the Father bless us,
may Christ take care of us,
the Holy Ghost enlighten us all the days of our life.
The Lord be our defender and keeper of body and soul,
both now and for ever, to the ages of ages.In Jesus Holy Name Amen.

Father each of us have our burdens. We all have our sorrows, we all have our joy. Father may this be a time where those who are feeling sorrow be filled with joy. Father there are those who are hurting and are being healed and there are those who are hurting who are waiting to be healed. May they be able to proclaim that they ARE healed through your stripes, for it is you who is our healer. You are able to heal anything. No matter what the pain may be. Whether it be spiritual, emotional, mental, physical pain or whatever. May they be able to proclaim they are healed. May they rise up and proclaim with all their hearts and with all knowledge and faith, “The joy of the Lord is my strength!” For you are our strength. It is your joy in us that strengthens us. No matter what the situation may be. May each of us be blessed. May each of us be encouraged and know that all is well. No matter what it be. We are well through your stripes. We thank you for the much pain you endured. May we be strengthened to know you as our inspiration. May we be able to follow in your steps, where our pain is used to minister to others, may we be able to use it to help those in this world. We are living in a lost world but we know you are here to find them. You know each and every one of us. May we all be blessed richly in all abundance. We thank you so so much for the miracles you work, have worked and are working on. We thank you that it will be done by your will and in your timing. We thank you so so much. In the mighty name of the Lord Jesus we pray and we thank you. Amen!!!


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All people everywhere at some time in their lives recognize that they have spiritual needs. They need guidance and direction to find hope for eternity and answers to the questions of life. That’s why we devote daily our time to provide you answers to your questions. We offer you opportunity to be actively engaged in studying of the Holy Scripture. Let’s do it together. Because if God is NOT in Islam then you will JUST join millions of Arabs and Muslims in the hell fire. Study the Holy Scripture and we will FIND the TRUTH together!

People alone cannot provide this spiritual guidance

Many learned men do not even attempt to provide answers for the meaning and purpose of life and other serious spiritual questions. If they do try, they cannot prove their answers are right or wrong, and they often contradict one another. Many Muslims have just countless number of MISCONCEPTIONS about God and His Bible. We are going to change your mind by SHOWING you what is the WILL of God toward you and your life. Let’s consider Qur’an and the Bible and God will DEFINITELLY talk to your hearts about Himself.

Jeremiah 10:23 – The way of man is not in himself;
It is not in man who walks to direct his own steps.
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Dear Lord,
I am so happy that you love me unconditionaaly and are always willing to forgive me when I stumble. Please strengthen my ability to resist tempations that were so prominent in my former life, and despite my best efforts, still occur every once in a while. In Jesus’ name I pray. Amen


Heavenly Father
we have sinned in thought,
word and deed,
and we have failed to do what we ought to have done,
For the sake of your son Jesus Christ,,
forgive us all that is past,
and lead us in his way


Father of Glory, Holy and Eternal,
look down upon us now in power and mercy.
may your STRENGTH overcome our WEAKNESS
your RADIANCE transform our BLINDNESS
and your SPIRIT draw us to that LOVE
shown and offered to us by your SON
our SAVIOUR Jesus Christ.


Lord, save me from my sins. By the name of Jesus I am encouraged thus
to pray.
Save me from my past sins, that the habit of them may not hold me captive. Save me from my constitutional sins, that I may not be the slave of my own weaknesses. Save me from the sins which are continually under my eye that I may not lose my horror of them. Save me from secret sins; sins unperceived by me from my want of light. Save me from sudden and surprising sins: let me not be carried off my feet by a rush of
temptation. Save me, Lord, from every sin. Let not any iniquity have dominion over me.

You alone can do this. I cannot snap my own chains or slay my own enemies. Thou knowest temptation, for Thou wast tempted. Thou knowest sin, for Thou didst bear the weight of it. Thou knowest how to succor me in my hour of conflict; You can save me from sinning and save me when I have sinned. Save me unto holiness of life, that the name of Jesus may be glorified in me abundantly.


Grant unto me, O Lord, that with peace of mind, I may face all that this new day is to bring

Grant unto me to dedicate myself completely to Thy Holy Will

Guide and support me in all things every hour of this day

Whatsoever tidings I may receive during the day, teach me to accept tranquility in the firm belief that all eventualities fulfill Thy Holy Will

Govern Thou my thoughts and feelings in all I do and say

When things unforeseen occur, let me not forget that all cometh down from Thee

Teach me to behave sincerely and sensibly toward every member of my family, that I may bring confusion and sorrow to none

Bestow upon me, my Lord, strength to endure the weariness of the day, and to bear my part in all its passing events

Guide Thou my will and teach me to pray, to believe, to hope, to be patient, to forgive, and to love


Blessed are those who mourn for tsunami victims; may they
find comfort in their pain and hope in their helplessness.

Blessed are those who found a way to survive; may they now find
sufficient strength and healing as they reassemble the scattered
pieces of shattered lives.

Blessed are those who tirelessly strive to give relief; may they
be amply encouraged in their valiant efforts.

Blessed are those who generously give money and supplies…may
they know the deep satisfaction of having made a difference.

Blessed are those in every nation who unite now in compassionate
service and love; may they show us what it means to be family .


“Dear God,
We pray for this world.
We ask that you remove the walls that separate us and the chains that hold us down.
Use us to create a new world on earth,
One that reflects Your will, Your vision, Your peace.
In this moment,
we recognize the power You have given us to create anew the world we want.
Today’s world, dear Lord, but reflects our past confusion.
Now, in this moment, we ask for new light.
Illumine our minds.
Use us dear Lord, as never before,
as part of a great and mighty plan for the healing of this world.
May we no longer be at war with each other.
May we no longer be at war with ourselves.
Let us forgive this century and every other,
the evils of history, the pain of our common fears.
Remove from our hearts the illusion that we are separate.
May every nation and every people and every color
and every religion find at last the one heartbeat we share.
Through you, our common Father and the redeemer of our broken dreams.
May we not hold onto yesterday.
May we not obscure Your vision of tomorrow
but rather may You flood our hearts.
Flow through us, work through us,
that in our lives we might se the illumined world.
Create, sustain that world on earth, dear God, for us and for our children.
Hallelujah, at the thought.
Praise God, the possibility that such a thing could come to be,
through You,
through your light that shines within us.
So may it be. So may it be.
We thank you, Lord

They know not

God we live in a sick world, a dying world, a world were people don’t know You. This is our prayer…

Lord that you would remove the scales from the eyes and ears and hearts of everyone who has locked you out.

Lord we commit our will to be Your will, and your will fills our heart’s desires, and our heart’s desires are Your will and we hear and obey.

Father open the minds of all the young and old alike around the world, that they may come to know you, to know Your tender love and the gift of Your mercy, Your forgiveness, Your Grace and Your peace, joy and salvation.

Be the Lord in all the lives of those who have not let You, fill them up, touch them with Your hands, let the see Your face and die to self. Lord You do hear our prayer and we know You will and speak to their hearts, for that is Your will, that none should perish.

Use us Lord, as we are blessed to be a blessing to others. Fill us with your anointing and appoint us and our steps in Your ways giving us the direction to the divine ministerial intercessions You have ordained for us to bring those hearts to You. As we speak of Your love into the lives of those who don’t yet know you, or know You well, protect us and gives us the words we need to say. It is not by our might, but by Your Power.

We lift Your Name Father, we give You all the glory, You are our God, You are holy, we love You and thank You and pray this in Your precious Sons name, the name above every name, Jesus… Amen

Jail Ministry Prayer Request for Prisoners today 6-6-10

I’m getting ready to go into a SF Jail to feed prisoners the bread of life. Please pray that the Name of Jesus will be magnified as His Word goes forth! It’s sweet to know that The Lord is with me as well as brothers and sisters in Christ who I haven’t even met Christian Cafe yet will in love for the spread of the Gospel will intercede.

Thank you, saints of God. Together we spread His glory everywhere even in jails,


Lord Jesus, please save Walid and do not allow him to see death…but please allow to see YOU. Amen. Bahira

Jesus said:

I Am Coming Quickly

20 He who testifies to these things says,

Surely I am coming quickly.

Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!

21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ

be with you all.Amen.

Revelation 22

God Jesus

is our SUPPORT

and He is SAVING Arabs and Muslims

everyday because He does not sleep.

He is BRINGING Salvation to EVERYONE….who

wants it…..


and you will reign with Him.

If you want it.

You will save Arabs and God will hold your hand so

tight that NO ONE will STEAL you from God’s


neither hell…nor devil…neither fallen angels…nor

evil people…neither terrorists…nor


Because you will be

adopted SON of God.

Save them all who will read this message,

Jesus. PLEASE.

Amen. Amen

Ya Subhan Isa Allah! Subhana Rabbi yal A’ala!

Be saved my Arab nation!

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