Who is Allah in Christianity?
Our brother Kamal Ibrahim El Gadi said,
The Issue of TRINITY is an essential topic of difference among Christian Factions and groups… Catholics, Orthodox, Puritans, Protestant and others….”
Our brother Walid Saifaddin Ashour also said,
“And Trinity is also a myth, a lie that passes to Christians by force and blood in 325 AD.”
Brothers, it doesn’t matter how you would call the concept of who God is the TRINITY of TRI-UNITY. God is ONE. But Jesus is God. He is the Son of God. The Father is God. The Holy Spirit is God.
Why is it so difficult to understand who God is? Because God is not a human being. He is an Alien if you wish. He is the Supreme Being. We know about Him only what He revealed us about Him in the Holy Scripture. So, there is no reason to argue on this issue. We should just look at God in His Scripture and ACCEPT Him such as He is.
If we reject to accept that the Son is God, the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is GOD then we should know that God considers us in this case as unbelievers. If Jesus is not God then our FAITH is futile! And punishment for disbelief is DEATH. If we accept that God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit then we agree that God is HOLY and the ONE. We can suggest who God could be. But we should NOT do it. We should ACCEPT His words about Him in FAITH. Without FAITH our religion, concepts, ideas are NOTHING.
But let’s consider today another statement of Walid:
“yet Jesus felt the pain and not God? Where do you people get this stuff? And is your God a sadist? He gets pleasure off of torturing and killing His son?”
Brothers, does God feel pain? Yes. Because He is LONGSUFFERING! What does is mean? A person who is longsuffering is not quick to retaliate or promptly punish someone who has insulted, offended, or harmed him. Longsuffering is similar to patience and forbearance. It is the quality of self-restraint in the face of provocation. Forbearance is refraining from the enforcement of something that is due like a debt, right, or obligation. Longsuffering differs slightly in that its emphasis is on temperament.
God expounds such attributes as the Merciful One, the Gracious One, the Longsuffering One, the Mighty One, the Kind and Loving One, the True One, the One who Preserves Kindness, the Forgiving One, and the Chastising One.
Exodus 34:6 “And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, long-suffering, and abundant in goodness and truth”
God bears long and is slow to anger. Longsuffering is proof of God’s goodness, faithfulness, and His desire to grant us salvation. If we do not want to be saved and if we die in our sins then God is LONGSUFFERING. God relents from doing harm. His longsuffering is seen in His gracious restraint of His wrath towards those who deserve it. Despite the rebellious conditions of the world, He has been waiting patiently for millions of Arabs and Muslims to come to repentance in Faith in His Son Jesus. That’s why many of these Millions of Arabs and Muslim-background believers are now children of God forgiven of their sins. Unlike man, God has the end in view. He is Omniscient. He has true insight, knows what is best. He is waiting patiently for you Walid and you Muslims to repent and believe in Him and His Son. Yes, you deserved to perish because you have committed countless number of sins and no one in Islam forgave them because Allah NEVER was in Islam. Yes, you are criminals and sinners who do not stop committing sins against God and people. But why you Walid are alive yet? Because God despite your rebellious life, is waiting for your RETURN when you will bring Him GLORY. He is slow to anger and desires to grant you salvation. H restrains of His Just WRATH towards you but His LOVE toward you makes Him to SUFFER because of you. Did only Jesus suffer for yours sake Walid? No. His Father and Ruh Al Qudus love you not less! Does God love Walid Saifaddin Ashour? Yes.We all know it. How can we know it? God said it in His Scripture. Did God said it in Islam? No. Does Allah in Islam claim to love Walid so profound so he can remain alive and eventually transformed into His image? No. A slave could not be like Allah! But the son, called Walid Saifaddin Ashour, SHOULD be like God and His Son ‘Isa!!! To live with God in His Kingdom you SHOULD be HOLY, forgiven of your sins, purified like gold, dressed in white clothes of righteousness given to you by Jesus.
2 Peter 3:9 “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance and commit our hearts to God Jesus.”
Jesus Christ sets the standard of longsuffering. God Jesus bore our sins on the cross to make us free of them.
Summary: Why God is longsuffering? The source of His sufferings is LOVE.
I Corinthians 13:4 states, “Love suffers long and is kind.”
God SUFFERS long and is KIND to Walid, every Arab and every Muslim because God’s nature or essence is LOVE. There is no such statements in Islam because Allah was NEVER in Islam. Islamic Allah never claimed to be the God of Love!
God Jesus felt the pain on the cross. It was pain from insults, beatings, torture and SINS of millions of people. Because the HOLY God Jesus accepted the sin of the world to His HOLY body to make us FREE of our sins. Our God is not a sadist. He did not kill His Son jesus on the cross. Unbelievers did it. They refused to believe that Jesus is God and King that’s why they killed Him. But His Father resurrected Him. God get pleasure that His Son MADE us FREE of our sins! God gets pleasure that His Son Jesus TOOK our sins and died instead of us MAKING us FREE of our sins! God gets pleasure that his Son Jesus revealed the TRUE Nature/essence of God- LOVE! God did not torture His Son Jesus and did not kill Him. But SAVED us through our FAITH in Ibn Allah. The sin of the world should be punished by the JUSTICE of God. According to the words of God the punishment for sin is DEATH. So, Jesus died that we would NEVER die! He suffered that we would never suffer in hell for our sins. He was insulted that we would bring glory to His Father. Who is like our God of LOVE? He is ONE who loves us so infinitely!
2 Peter 3 (New King James Version)
2 Peter 3
God’s Promise Is Not Slack
1 Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
The Day of the Lord
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.[c] 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
1 Corinthians 13
The Greatest Gift
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,but have not love, it profits me nothing.
God Jesus said,
“I am the way and the truth and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
Arabs and Muslims,
be SAVED by God RIGHT NOW!
Brothers, Islam and the Bible call Jesus as Kalimat-Ullah- WORD of Allah!
Will you reject God by rejecting His SON?
Look if you will reject Son, it means you dont believe in His Father Allah. It means you are AGAINST Allah.
Islam came later after prophecies of Allah already existed that His Son Jesus will save the world from sins. So, what is Islam? ONE of religions. Look brother, there are millions religions and all they worship millions of gods which are called by God of Ibrahim as IDOLS.
Way for people worshiping idols is hell. Islam is among them. Why? Because Islam makes God of our father Ibrahim a LIAR by claiming that there is NO Son of God. Islam is closing eyes of Muslims to the words of Allah. Which man on the earth is able to BEAR INIQUITIES of the world? Sins of people? How SERVANT canJUSTIFY many people? It is impossible for a man. But only for God! We worship perfect God. He DIED instead on us. His name is the most perfect – Jesus….Isa Ibn Allah…Isa Allah…Issa Al Massih. And He is God of our father Ibrahim. Turn from sins to HIM and LIVE eternally as son of God!
Be saved right NOW
How to LIVE with God Jesus?
2 Corinthians 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, PERFECTING HOLINESS IN THE FEAR OF GOD.
Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may SERVE GOD ACCEPTABLY WITH REVERENCE AND GODLY FEAR
Fellowship with God
means YOU Arabs and Muslims
can be called sons of God.
You can be forgiven of ALL your sins!
You can be
adopted by God
THROUGH your Faith
in His Son Jesus.
Can you call Jesus the Son of God? Is He God in your life? Have you given Him absolute control of your life and future?If not, do is right NOW!
Pray now to the LORD and accept His forgiveness of all your sins through FAITH in His Son – God Jesus Christ!
Pray God right now And be saved!
God is bringing Judgement. Return of the Lord Jesus and His Judgement day should make difference in our behavior. Live your best in purity. Be excited about meeting with the Lord. You should anxiously await with joiful anticipation of the Lord’s return. If your hearts is filled with anticipation, excitement and joy, it indicates that you are walking with the Lord. If you are NOT sure and confident that if you would die today you would go to Heaven, it means you need to get right with God. If you never said- YES- to Jesus, do it today! If you have fallen away from the Lord, come back to Him today.
We will close with prayers: Father, we believe that Jesus is coming again. We believe we need to be ready. And Lord I am praying about any person who is reading my message and if they dont have confidence that they are ready for Your return, help them to come to You today and get right with You now. Amen.
First, recognise brother, that you are sinner. Be sorry for your sin. And ask God to forgive you right now. The way as we do that TROUGH PRAYER. That’s how we communicate with God.I’d like to lead you in prayer. If you want Christ to forgive your sins. If you want to know that when you will die you will go to Heaven then pray this prayer with me right now:
God, I know I am a sinner. And I am sorry for what I have done. And I turn from my sin now and ask You to forgive me. Thank You that Your Son Jesus Christ died on the cross and shed His blood for me. Be my Savior and my Lord. And be my friend. I want to follow You from this day forward. Fill me with Your Spirit. And help me to be Your disciple. Thank You for accepting me. Thank You for forgiving me. Thank You that I am now YOURS. In Jesus’ name I pray. Amen.
If you sincerely asked God to forgive you then WELCOME to the family of God. Now you are adopted by God. Now you bacame His son and His inheritance. His angels have written your name in the Book of Life. And you have the BRIGHT FUTURE.
God Jesus said:
“I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word
and believes him
who sent mehas eternal life and will not be condemned;
he has crossed over from death to life.John 5:24
Walk with God and live eternally Arab nation! Amen.
Rev. 4:8 “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come.”
Brothers, God Jesus is COMING BACK to us to the earth. Be prepared to LIVE with Him and not to die without Him! Repent and make your ways straight. To make your ways straight, then, please the Lord in all you do by BELIEVING in His Son Jesus Christ.
Turn away from a life of sin to a life of righteousness (Rom. 12:21).
This is the way of peace (Luke 1:79).
It is also the way to prosperity, blessings, answered prayer, joy and every good thing (Prov. 13:21; 1 John 3:22; Heb. 13:21).
If you prayed this simple prayer aboveor if you need more information orstill have questions about who Jesus is or if you want to believe in God Jesus then please email me and contact me (contacts are below) because we should be together. God called us as believers in Him or CHURCH.
Contradictions in Islam and Qur’an
Dealing Justly with Wives and Orphans (Quran 4-3)
This article will examine a common misinterpretation of Quran 4:3, and evidence provided in the sahih ahadith as to the true meaning of this verse.
Islamist claims regarding 4:3
Basic meaning of this verse
A common Muslim explanation for 4:3 is to give the above partial quote of the verse and explain that a Muslim man may marry up to four women. However, if he cannot deal justly with each of the wives then he has, he is forbidden to marry that many; and can marry only one wife, to prevent treating women unfairly. Muslims explain that the use of the word “Justice” or “Justly” (depending on which translation is being used) refers to the man’s ability to treat each of his wives exactly the same in every regard: not just materially (ie. food, clothing, shelter, time, money, etc..) but also that he must be able to love them all exactly the same. He must be able to feel the same amount of affection and love for each of his wives.
If he cannot do this, then, according to the Quran he cannot marry more than one wife.
The injunction against polygamy
Some Muslims will provide more evidence to back up their interpretation of 4:3 by giving the partial quote of 4:129 as above. Since Allah says that you can only marry (up to) Four women if you can deal Justly with them, and in 4:129, Allah tells us that men are unable to deal Justly with more than one wife. This means that men are generally not allowed to engage in Polygamy. However, Allah included the allowance for multiple wives under specific circumstances. These include war, gender imbalance in certain regions/countries & women’s preference.
After a war where a lot of men are killed, there are usually much higher numbers of women alive than men. In this case, men are permitted to take more than one wife, in order to reproduce at a faster rate than normal in order to repopulate the region. Women are more prevalent in some areas of the world, and men are also allowed to marry multiple wives when this is the situation, in order to ensure that every woman has a male partner and doesn’t have to fend for herself. Some women also prefer to be a second, third or fourth wife; thus polygamy is also allowed in order to accommodate the desires of these women.
But as a general rule, as stated, men are prohibited from engaging in Polygamy unless absolutely necessary.
‘Quran-only muslim’ explanation
Quran-only Muslims (those who reject the ahadith altogether, except when it is necessary in order to explain an Islamic Pillar) give an explanation of 4:3 as being an injunction against Polygamy under any circumstances. They back their claim up by quoting 4:129
The reasoning continues that a man can never treat his wives equally, thus 4:3 means: Don’t treat orphans unfairly, by marrying their mothers in order to gain access to the wealth that the orphans will inherit when they come of age. Then 4:3 changes the topic, mid ayat and tells men that they can marry up to four free (believing) women, but if they cannot treat them fairly, then they can marry only one. Then 4:3 goes back to who they are allowed to marry, and says they may also marry Captives (from their Right Hands), but that the injunction from the previous part of the verse still applies.
Ie. Don’t mistreat orphans by marrying their mothers to get their wealth >> Men Can marry Believing women; 2 or 3 or 4 >> If you can’t treat them all exactly the same (fairly) then they can only marry one. >> Men can also marry their Captives but “treat them fairly” rule still applies.
Evidence as to the real meaning of 4:3
Problems with the apologetic interpretation
The main issue with the above interpretation of 4:3 and the claim regarding 4:129 , is that proponents of these interpretations must quote the verses out of context in order to “explain the meaning.” They quote a small portion of the verse(s) and and use it to suit the explanation. However the interpretation that they give ignores the majority of the verse(s); and renders the whole verse(s) nonsensical if read in context.
Those who explain the two verses completely as an injunction against Polygamy would have to dismiss all sahih ahadith as not being authentic, for no other reason than it contradicts their own interpretation of the verse. They would also have to admit that 4:3 is badly written and not clear in its intended meaning. By doing this, they would contradict Muslim belief that the Quran is a perfect literary masterpiece, that could not have been written by any human being. In order for the Quran to remain the literary masterpiece claimed, and this explanation to be correct, the verse would be more properly written thus:
Most apologists, because of this, will avoid answering any questions as to the meaning of the whole verse(s) in order to stick to their own interpretation.
Evidence From sahih ahadith as to the meaning of 4:3
The True meaning of Quran 4:3 is explained to us by Aisha in Bukhari’s Sahih ahadith collection:
Evidence from tafsir’s regarding 4:3
Although the ahadith above do not discuss the verse in its entirety, the Tafsir’s do. It is important to note that Aisha and the Tafsir writers have defined justice for us. Kathir even makes it plain that 4:3 is not referring to perfect justice, so th alleged injunction against polygamy is invalid. As “justice” is used twice in the verse in connection with two different types of women (orphans and Free women) it is apparent that Justice means the same thing both times it is used. It would be incorrect to assume that “justice” means mahr in relation to orphans and something else for free women given the context of the verse. One more verse that needs to be considered in order to understand 4.3 is as follows:
In light of all the information provided above, if we wish to give Quran 4.3 its full expansive meaning it would read something like this:
Quran 4:3 has nothing to do with treating your wives equally, its about the orphan’s and their Mahr. Injustice in this verse is talking about financial equality regarding bride price (for orphans) and financial viability of having that many wives, not equality between them.
Questions and Answers
Conversation with Linda:
Conversation with Walid Saifaddin Ashour:
Originally Posted by Linda:
Your English is excellent, vocabulary and grammar. I have no trouble understanding what you’re saying.
I don’t know about this experience in Islam, you’ll have to describe it to me, what you go through.
In the Christian faith, God will not and cannot be mocked. In other words, He knows when a person’s repentance is sincere, and if it is not. With sincere, heart-felt repentance in Jesus Christ, the person undergoes something that remains inexplicable by men (i.e. science, medicine, psychology, etc.). Their desire for sin begins to diminish. They develop a deep hunger for the Word of God. Their conscience becomes quickened/heightened – they begin to love the things that God loves, and to hate the things that God hates. Where there was no patience, no mercy, no compassion, no love, suddenly the person begins to develop these characteristics. Addictions of every kind, which remained incurable, are suddenly cured. Eventually, after a time, even the appearance of some begins to change – the peace, the calm, in their eyes and face and in their speech.
People are truly set free from the prison and harm of sin, and they feel it/they live it.
Some people live it before reading it in Scripture – perhaps someone witnessed to them, and they went home to repent. Eventually, they begin reading the Holy Bible and they see it/they know …. THIS is what happened to them.
This, and so much more. Upon repentance in Jesus Christ, God’s children are promised the Gift of the Holy Spirit. They are promised a new heart of flesh, to replace their heart of stone. They are made a new creature in Jesus Christ – the old passes away, and the new is born, of imperishable seed, by the Holy Spirit of God.
And now God begins to raise them up again in Jesus Christ, as newborn infants. And His true children, the true followers of Christ, begin to take on Christ’s characteristics and His personality. Born again, in the likeness of Jesus Christ, Who is the Son of the Living God.
When you have lived through this, Walid, there is no one who can deny to you what you have lived through. God’s children are also able to recognize each other by this transformation, and by the Word of God.
I’ve met many people, from many different cultures and religions. I have never met anyone, but for the true followers of Jesus Christ, who have experienced this spiritual rebirth by their own religion. Not even Muslims.
This is why I’m here, to testify to you that the Word and the promises of God, in Jesus Christ, are all true. If what I had lived in the Catholic church had proven to be true, then I would be here testifying to you as a Roman Catholic. But I saw that it is Christ’s Word that is true, and Catholicism only an imposter.
Originally Posted by Linda:
This email confuses me. I answered both your questions on the doctrine of the “trinity”, and the word “Christianity”.
By referencing the year 325AD, I’m guessing you’re referring to the forced conversion of the Roman Empire to “Christianity”. I’ve studied this in-depth, over many, many nights. You should seriously consider the facts, Walid, or else you’re only harming your own self.
1) By Jesus Christ’s Own teachings, repentance cannot be forced on any man, or else their repentance is false. And the forced conversion of the Roman Empire was precisely that – it was forced on the people (i.e. false conversion).
2) It was following the forced conversion of the Roman Empire that the papal crusades and inquisitions began. This included the torture and murder of anyone who was caught owning a Holy Bible.
3) Jesus Christ prophesied the coming of this imposter almost 400 years in advance of her birth out of Rome. And as a former Catholic, I am able to testify that what is taught in the Catholic church is a deliberate perversion of what is written in the Holy Bible. This explains why the Roman papacy murdered Bible-believing Christians – it is because the papacy knows that the Holy Bible exposes her as the imposter that she is.
Speaking for myself, when the most powerful organizations in the world will go to such extremes as murder to keep a specific Book out of the hands of the people, I want to know WHY???
Conversation with Sazie Johnson:
Originally Posted by Sazie Johnson:
Thank you, Mr. Walid Ashoor, Editor of a magazine. I know you would come around and join our group. Truth is like a magnet. It draws people to itself who are looking for it. You want the answer to two questions: (1) where is the word “Christianity” in the Bible? and (2) where is the word “Trinity” in the Bible?
As for the word “Christianity”, the best I can give you is Act 11:26. It reads, “And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.”
As for the word “Trinity”, it is not in the Bible. It is a word created by Theophilus of Antioch in the year 170 A.D. to explain “Threeness” — not the “Threeness of God”, but the “Threeness of luminous”. The word itself had been around for over 150 years until a man in the 3rd century named Tertullian used it to capture the “Essence of God”. The word “Trinity” is the most important doctrine in mainstream Christianity that states the following: God (singular) is the indivisible (undivided) union of Father, Son, and Spirit.
Now I have a question for you. The Quran teaches the alternative to the “Trinity” with the word “Tawhid” or “Tawheed” which describes the “Oneness of Allah.” In other words, what the word “Trinity” is to mainstream Christianity, the word “Tawhid” is to mainstream Islam. The word “Tawhid” is the most important teaching in mainstream Islam that states the following: Allah, though he reveals himself in plural “We made man”, is truly a numerical one in his essence.
You challenge me to find the word “trinity” in the Bible. Now challenge you to find the word “Tawhid” in the Quran. All I want are chapter and verse. I do not want you to give me a verse that says “Allah is one”, because the word “one” has two different meanings: (1) One as in a numerical one (We have one sun in our solar system.), and (2) One as in a composite unity (All Muslims are one.). That makes the word “one” confusing. It is for this very purpose the word “Tawhid” was created to set Allah apart as “a numerical one in his essence”.
I want you to find the word “Tawhid” in the Quran. All I want are chapter and verse. Otherwise, we will have to believe what Arab Christians have told us. They say, “The Quran is the only book in which Muslims are mentally trained (brainwashed) to see the plural “we” as the singular “I”.” I want you to find the word “Tawhid” in the Quran which sets Allah apart as “a numerical one in his essence”.
The word “Trinity” was created to describe the true essence of God in Christianity just as the word “Tawhid” was created to describe the true essence of Allah in Islam. I want you to find the word “Tawhid” in the Quran. All I want are chapter and verse.
You wrote: “All i need is reference from the Bible on the chapter no. and verse no. This is all what i need , no more no less.” Now I write: “All I need is reference from the Quran on the chapter number, and verse number. This is all what I need, no more no less.”
Again, Mr. Big Time Editor of a Magazine, thank you for coming around to our group. The Quran mentions no such word as “Tawhid” or “Tawheed”, but yet it is the central theme upon which Islam is based just as the Bible mentions no such ward as “Trinity” but yet it is the central theme upon which Christianity is based. Say “Hello” to Dr. Muhammad Madian for me. We want him to come back too. And to Ahmed Elabd, if you leave this group, I will travel from the United States to wherever you are and baptize you. Baptism is performed in the name of The Holy Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Baptism by water is the outward expression of choosing Jesus as your Savior; and also inviting the Holy Spirit to live inside of you.
Quran 2:138 (YUSUFALI) reads, “(Our religion is) the Baptism of Allah: And who can baptize better than Allah? And it is He Whom we worship.”
First I will find baptize Dr. Muhammad Madian who has not responded to this group for a long time, and then I will baptize you, Ahmed Elabd. Quran 2:138 tells us that Islam is a religion of baptism. There is no reason why I cannot put you in the water and baptize you.
And, oh, Mr. Big Time Editor, find me the word “Tawhid” in the Quran. All I want are chapter and verse.
Originally Posted by Sazie Johnson:
…..1St John 4:8 tells us that God is Love. It reads, “He who does not love, does not knows God; because God is love.”
Did you get that? “God is love.” True Love requires that the one to whom love is extended be given the liberty as to whether to love back or not. Let me put it another way: A true justice demands that the one to whom love is extended be forced or made to love back. But a true love requires that the one to whom love is extended be given the freedom as to whether he wants to love back or not.
God is Love — the True Love. We also know that true love cannot exist in isolation, lest it withers (dries up) and dies. That means true love is always active and engaging. To be active and engaging also means to take chances. To take chances entails sacrifice. To make sacrifice is to suffer loss. Thus, God, because he is Love must suffers a loss. For Love which is a true Nature of God compares God to suffer a loss.
A quick review of what I am saying would be like this: God is Love. Love cannot exist in total aloneness. Therefore; Love must engage. To engage is to take a chance. A chance is a sacrifice one makes. All sacrifices require a loss of something. Therefore; hence God is Love, God must suffer a loss of something.
The point you raised earlier was that you accept and uphold the “Total Aloneness” of Allah who does not suffer a loss, but however, you reject the Holy Trinity because, as you put it, “This is a God who suffers…The very idea of suffering implies loss.” Your point is one of excellence and well stated. But however, Allah, in his “Total Aloneness”, has and will suffer a loss. While you seem to measure a loss only in terms of suffering, a loss is also measured in terms of investment: input versa output. The Quran and the hadiths tell us that Allah will not gain on the investment he made in his creation, because not everything he created will return to him. In that case Allah’s investment is greater than his returns. Thus, Allah, too, suffers a loss.
Interestingly, you are running from a God who you claimed suffers a loss to a god you know has and will suffer a loss. In the court of jurisprudent (science, philosophic, and laws) the reason for you running from one God to another is cancelled out, or made null and void. Please tell me again why are you running? And to whom are you running?
Conversation with Bahira:
Re: The Gospel of Barnabas and Taqiyya
Originally Posted by Bahira Omar
You are talking about deceiving. And you also said: “Therefore, the story of Tobit implies that Allah either:
What about taqiyya? But look what Quran and Hadith said:
Arabic: ومكروا ومكر الله والله خير الماكرين
Qur’an Text/Transliteration 3:54
Arabic: افامنوا مكر الله فلايامن مكر الله الا القوم الخاسرون
Qur’an Text/Transliteration 7:99
Arabic: واذ يمكر بك الذين كفروا ليثبتوك او يقتلوك او يخرجوك ويمكرون ويمكر الله والله خير الماكرين
Qur’an Text/Transliteration 8:30
Arabic: واذا اذقنا الناس رحمة من بعد ضراء مستهم اذا لهم مكر في اياتنا قل الله اسرع مكرا ان رسلنا يكتبون ماتمكرون
Qur’an Text/Transliteration 10:21
Arabic: وقد مكر الذين من قبلهم فلله المكر جميعا يعلم ماتكسب كل نفس وسيعلم الكفار لمن عقبى الدار
Qur’an Text/Transliteration 13:42
Muhammad said: “Lying is wrong, except in three things: the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him; a lie to an enemy, for war is deception; or a lie to settle trouble between people” [Ahmad, 6.459. H]
Lying in marriage
Sahih Bukhari 9:86:100, See also: Sahih Bukhari 9:86:98 and Sahih Bukhari 9:86:101
Lying in War
Abu Dawud 14:2629 , Abu Dawud 14:2631
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, “Khosrau will be ruined, and there will be no Khosrau after him, and Caesar will surely be ruined and there will be no Caesar after him, and you will spend their treasures in Allah’s Cause.” He called, “War is deceit’.
Sahih Bukhari 4:52:267, See also: Sahih Bukhari 4:52:268, and Sahih Bukhari 4:52:269
Another companion of Muhammad, al-Hassan, said,
Muhammad went on to say, “War is deception.” Do you remember that Muhammad authorized Muslims to lie and deny their faith in order to protect themselves? It is story about Ammar Bin Yassin. “Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith – but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.” Surah 16: 106
One passage from the Hadith quotes Mohammed as saying: “The sons of Adam are accountable for all lies except those uttered to help bring reconciliation between Muslims.”
Re: Tri-unity issue
Originally Posted by loonietoonie
Very interesting Bahira. I’ve read some of what you posted. Rest I will read at home and comment on.
But please explain John 17:3 in light of what you said “There is no such thing as “God and Jesus”, but rather “The Father and the Son.” “
J17:3 – Now this is eternal life: that they know you(the Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Originally Posted by Bahira Omar
Sazie Johnson explained his words you asked. Please read his explanation above.
This verse means if you Muslims will know Allah/God the Father who is the ONLY TRUE Allah and Isa Al Massih who is the Son of Allah/Ibn Allah sent by the Father to earth to reveal His LOVE toward every Muslim and Arab, then you will HAVE eternal life through your FAITH in such perfect Allah.
Re: Bible’s prophecies
Brothers, WHY do we believe that Jesus is God and Isa Al Massih promissed by God?
Let’s read summary again:
Check them all out for yourself!
Isa Al Massih should:
Do we have any reason NOT to trust God and His words?
Because the Kingdom of Heaven is offered to you Muslims!
Come to Ibn Allah and TAKE it. Enter there through your FAITH.
But you reject God by rejecting His Son/Ibn Allah.
HOW can you enter into the Kingdom of Heaven if you REJECT to enter there!!!!???
Make a step of FAITH now and LIVE eternally with your LOVING Father and His Son and the Holy Spirit in YOUR Kingdom of Heaven!
”For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world,
but that the world through Him might be saved.”
Re: Bible’s prophecies of Allah for Muslims and Arabs
Brothers, let’s read the prophecies of Allah about Isa Ibn Allah and how they were fulfilled:
Jesus Christ is eternal in His existence because is God:
Please read above Micah 5:1 and Isaiah 53:8 in the context in Arabic and English.
Micah 5:1-2 Marshal your troops, O city of troops, for a siege is laid against us. They will strike Israel’s ruler on the cheek with a rod. 2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.“
Jesus Christ is the Son of God:
Psalms 2:7 I will proclaim the decree of the LORD: He said to me, “You are my Son ; today I have become your Father.
Jesus Christ would be anointed with the Holy Spirit of God:
Isaiah 11:2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him– the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD–
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16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
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Prayer for a Godly year
Father, in Jesus’ marvelous name, I come to you to honor you, worship you and to lift you up as my God and my Father!
I praise you for the things you do in people’s lives and for Your love for us but most of all, I thank and praise You for the sacrifice of Your dear Son Whose birth in human form we celebrate this season.
I lift up all the members of this wonderful group unto YOur throne and ask for blessings upon all! As we face a new year, I ask that our hearts and minds might be in tune to Your Spirit and His still small voice! I ask Lord that we may strive to be the man or woman You would have us to be. I ask that the new year’s challenges will be faced head on with Your strength and enablement.Further more I ask that we may grow to be the people You want us to be and give us divine appointments to reach others with Your love and grace that they too may discover the kind of love only You can bestow on them!
I ask Lord that we all might find that one You desire for us to spend the rest of our lives with and that we would be of like mind and purpose! Your will be done in our lives!
Finally, Lord, I ask that we might be obedient to Your Word and counsel and that each step we take might be ordered by Your wisdom and grace. This I pray in the name of Jesus, amen!
I will praise you; I will give thanks to you; you are my God; in all things I will trust you and walk in your path. Thank you for Jesus who came and loves me.
“For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. Glory to God in the highest,
Thank You, Lord
BLESS THE LORD, OH MY SOUL, AND ALL THAT IS WITHIN ME, BLESS HIS HOLY NAME! HE HAS DONE GREAT THINGS! HE HAS DONE GREAT THINGS! HE HAS DONE GREAT THINGS! BLESS HIS HOLY NAME!
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU!
He is the reason for the season!
Thank you father for all we have! We are truly blessed!
A GIFT FROM HEAVEN !!!
Nearly two thousand years ago,the greatest display of Heaven was witnessed by mankind,From lowly shepherds and wise men to the Angels of Glory.They were invited to experience in the event that would forever change the course of humanity,The prophecy of old was being fulfilled.They could visibly see it unfold before their eyes.In amazement they saw the word become Flesh.
A Christmas Memory
Years ago my mother wanted me to see Santa Claus
We went to church and I saw or was in the Christmas Concert. Too often today’s version is watered down so we do no offend anyone. Just Jesus and that seems to be of little concern.I discovered that Jesus was real.
I discovered that Santa was a hoax and I asked
I grew up an married. Our daughter rarely if ever saw Santa when she was little. But she knew more about Jesus. Far more.
We heard little about Jesus at home but my parents put His precepts into action in our lives. Sometime it was a warming experience if we did not listen.
Years later dad died. About five years after that
The Jesus we never heard about from home was in my mother’s heart and life. In her actions and love for us and others. Not the way it should have been but that was the way it was.
May the Jesus Spirit be shown always in aundant supply always. Thank you for sustaining my mother
A vibrant and joyful Christmas –and set a place for Jesus in your hearts and in actions. Invite Him to His birthday–He should be there–he is also the GUEST OF HONOR.
I love You Jesus thank you for never giving up on me!!
God’s Will on my Marriage – Thanks for Praying
Dear Heavenly Father,
Thanks for the relationship I have with you, my family, and my friends.
What is your will on my marriage, Father Lord?
Please let me know if you will help me settle down in a long term relationship with the man who is from you for me as husband and wife.
I am praying that this marriage will be a sacred covenant not just for our benefits but also for your glory.
In Jesus Holy Name,
Forget Not the Unforgettable
Abundantly blessed am I though it may not sound like it Lord. I know You hear/see ALL things and nothing escapes yout sight or hearing.
There will be those that have no place to go this Christmas. Please be with them lord and show we Christians whom we could invite over. People do not want to go to other’s homes that have many people. The fewer the better most often.
I know it would not bother me to have Chtistmas alone but Jesus You know why that is. Having spent it with in-laws for 24 years that were part of the untamed world–was not anything to look forward to. Being alone is preferrable. I am just now getting out of this now and that was over 12 years ago with the in-laws thing.
But I prefer one person only and praises to our Lord and King tor this person. Put Your Holy Arms and gather these lonely persons together Lord and if there is someone that I can
Thatn you Jesus –SO VERTY MUCH!! For being our Live’s blood. You are out everything!!!!
Amen and Hosannahs–Amen!!
PS. Also let us remember that we don’t just remember peopele and dump them after Christmas
Thank you Lord for the Christmas!
Who shall go for us?That was the question seeking for the redeemer ofthe world. Jesus who is the only worthy one volunteered and left His glory in Heaven and came down to this world of sin so that you and me might be saved.At Christmas,He’s given birth to in a manger .WOULD YOU LET HIS sacrifice be in vain over you?God forbid! May Christ continue to exercises HIS Lordship in our lives forever.AMEN.
Subhana Rabbi yal A’ala!
Be saved my Arab nation!
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