today we will talk about the TRINITY concept or the TRI-UNITY of God.
Kamal Ibrahim El Gadi asked me:
1- How was Allah before Jesus Christ came on Earth? Was he one, two or three?
2- You believe in Prophet Moses and the OLD TESTAMENT…. YES.. Now…….
3- Who did Prophet Moses ask people to worship? Who did Our Father Ibrahim (Abraham) and his sons worship at their times?
4- How come!!!!!
– Kamal, I will explain to you below the concept of the trinity. All people are called to worship GOD. But if you will ignore the words of God told us about Him, you will NOT know who is God of our father Ibrahim and Moses! You can believe that He is a cow but He is the CREATOR of you and all stars and planets, visible and invisible worlds. His words about Him were written and existed BEFORE foundation of Islam and even BEFORE the existence of this word ‘islam’. That’s why LOOK for Him and He will be found by you.
Who wrote the GOSPELS? – Sura 42:51-52 states clearly that Allah may not speak to men except by inspiration. In the context of the Scriptures, the word “inspiration” simply means “God-breathed.” The extent of inspiration can be clearly seen in 2 Timothy 3:16,
“All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
This verse tells us that God inspired all Scripture and that it is profitable to us.
The holy Bible says that all words in the Bible are written by the God has not spoken in only one, but in a variety of ways:
The 4 Gospels are the “ahaadith a-sahiiha” (the correct traditions) on the life of Jesus. In the law courts at least two witnesses were needed to prove a truth. We have the three Gospels on the life of Jesus (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) which testify to Jesus’ life and sayings.
Is there any origin of any of the verses available written during the age of Christ?
-We have today in our possession 5,300 known Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, another 10,000 Latin Vulgates, and 9,300 other early versions, giving us more than 24,000 manuscript copies of portions of the New Testament in existence today! Though we do not have any originals, with such a wealth of documentation at our disposal with which to compare, we can delineate quite closely what those originals contained. No other ancient writing of antiquity has as many copies as the New Testament. Manuscript portions of the Gospel of John, located in the John Ryland Library of Manchester, England and believed to be the oldest known fragment of the New Testament, dated AD 130, within 40 years of the original. “The Lukan papyrus, situated in a library in Paris has been dated to the late 1st century or early 2nd century, so it predates the John papyrus by 20-30 years.” “But of more importance are the manuscript findings of Mark and Matthew! New research which has now been uncovered by Dr. Carsten Thiede, and is published in his newly released book on the subject, the Jesus Papyrus mentions a fragment from the book of Mark found among the Qumran scrolls showing that it was written sometime before 68 AD It is important to remember that Christ died in 33 AD, so this manuscript could have been written, at the latest, within 35 years of His death; possibly earlier, and thus during the time that the eyewitnesses to that event were still alive!”
How can we guarantee that the people who copied from the copy and copied and copied …..were reliable or copied the real one without mistakes?
– In Christ’s time all books and letters had to be written out by hand. When the New Testament writings had been completed, they could only be spread to the various Christian communities by taking hand-written copies of them. Such a copy is called a `manuscript’. The material used in those days was papyrus, an inferior quality of paper made of reed. There are thousands of copies of manuscripts!!! Do not forget it! Not one or two or three! These manuscripts are kept in museums! A look at the hard evidence shows that the New Testament manuscripts are amazingly accurate and trustworthy. In the many thousands of manuscript copies we possess of the New Testament, scholars have discovered that there are some 150,000 “variants.” Out of these 150,000 variants, 99 percent hold virtually no significance whatsoever. Many of these variants simply involve a missing letter in a word; some involve reversing the order of two words (such as “Christ Jesus” instead of “Jesus Christ”); some may involve the absence of one or more insignificant words. For more than ninety-nine percent of the cases the original text can be reconstructed to a practical certainty. Thus, in the Bible as we have it (and as it is conveyed to us through faithful translations) we do have for practical purposes the very Word of God, inasmuch as the manuscripts do convey to us the complete vital truth of the originals.
When were the Gospels written? (Decades after Christ)?
– All four of the Gospels were written after the crucifixion of Jesus (most likely between A.D. 30 and A.D. 160).
The real language of Jesus was Aramaic in Palestine.. whereas the first gospel was written in Greek, decades after Christ… !!!!!
– The first human author to write down the biblical record was Moses. He was commanded by God to take on this task, for Exodus 34:27 records God’s words to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”And what language did he use? He wrote in his native language, called Hebrew. Almost the entire Old Testament was written in Hebrew during the thousand years of its composition. The New Testament, however, was written in Greek. This seems strange, since you might think it would be either Hebrew or Aramaic. However, Greek was the language of scholarship during the years of the composition of the New Testament from 50 to 100 AD. The fact is that many Jews could not even read Hebrew anymore, and this disturbed the Jewish leaders a lot! So, around 300 BC a translation of the Old Testament from Hebrew into Greek was undertaken, and it was completed around 200 BC. Gradually this Greek translation of the Old Testament, called the Septuagint, was widely accepted and was even used in many synagogues. So the New Testament authors wrote in Greek.
No gospel was written by any of the followers of Jesus… No gospel was written by any of the eye witnesses….!!!!
– Each of the four Gospels in the New Testament narrates the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are eye-witnesses of life, death and resurrection of God Jesus.
‘Trinity’or in other words TRI-UNITY is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God—three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who make up God. How is it possible? Yes, it is possible because God is NOT a human being. He is the supreme Being. Even Arab nation is one but you Kamal is an Arab and your son is an Arab and your father is also son of an Arab man. But the Arab nation is ONE. Because you all are united by common features and origin. There is no such word ‘trinity’ in the Bible but there is the concept represented by the word “Trinity”in Scripture. The following is what God’s Word says about the Trinity:
1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).
2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun “Elohim” is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word “Elohim” and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. The Hebrew word for “God,” “Elohim,” definitely allows for the Trinity.
In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus’ baptism. During the baptism of Jesus the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity.
3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, “LORD” is distinguished from “Lord” (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD” (Numbers 27:18) and from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17 ). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit! Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinity—the Father.
4) Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).
5) There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21, and 1 John 4:14.
The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe. Yes, Kamal, Jesus is Kalimat-ullah and He created the universe and people! (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); divine revelation (John 1:1, 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1); and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son.
The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus’ works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.
There have been many attempts to develop illustrations of the Trinity. However, none of the popular illustrations are completely accurate. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves, just as the skin, flesh, and seeds of the apple are parts of it, not the apple itself. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God! The water illustration is somewhat better, but it still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. But the picture is not entirely accurate because an infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration.
Kamal, look what Jesus said: (John 10:30)
I (Jesus) and the Father are one.”
Walid Saifaddin Ashoor said:
The question that raises itself is: You have 3 Gods, yet your Gods refer to themselves as “I” and not “We”, and then when you add the virgin Mary you now have Four Gods, yet still I and not WE. In addition, you now have 3 Gods that are HE and one God that is SHE, yet still I and not We. So Four Gods, yet still I, but what kind of I ? An I that is 3 He’s + 1 She?
– We do believe that God is ONE. He is tri-united and acting in UNITY. But why? Because God REVEALED us that on the pages of His Holy Scripture! The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God! But we do not worship mother of Jesus Mary, because if we would do it, it would be considered by God as an idol worship and sin. She is just woman and NOT God!
1 Corinthians 2 (New King James Version)
1 Corinthians 2
1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 3 I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling. 4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, 8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
“ Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
God Jesus said,
“I am the way and the truth and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
Arabs and Muslims,
be SAVED by God RIGHT NOW!
Brothers, Islam and the Bible call Jesus as Kalimat-Ullah- WORD of Allah!
Will you reject God by rejecting His SON?
Look if you will reject Son, it means you dont believe in His Father Allah. It means you are AGAINST Allah.
Islam came later after prophecies of Allah already existed that His Son Jesus will save the world from sins. So, what is Islam? ONE of religions. Look brother, there are millions religions and all they worship millions of gods which are called by God of Ibrahim as IDOLS.
Way for people worshiping idols is hell. Islam is among them. Why? Because Islam makes God of our father Ibrahim a LIAR by claiming that there is NO Son of God. Islam is closing eyes of Muslims to the words of Allah. Which man on the earth is able to BEAR INIQUITIES of the world? Sins of people? How SERVANT canJUSTIFY many people? It is impossible for a man. But only for God! We worship perfect God. He DIED instead on us. His name is the most perfect – Jesus….Isa Ibn Allah…Isa Allah…Issa Al Massih. And He is God of our father Ibrahim. Turn from sins to HIM and LIVE eternally as son of God!
Be saved right NOW
How to LIVE with God Jesus?
2 Corinthians 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, PERFECTING HOLINESS IN THE FEAR OF GOD.
Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may SERVE GOD ACCEPTABLY WITH REVERENCE AND GODLY FEAR
Fellowship with God
means YOU Arabs and Muslims
can be called sons of God.
You can be forgiven of ALL your sins!
You can be
adopted by God
THROUGH your Faith
in His Son Jesus.
Can you call Jesus the Son of God? Is He God in your life? Have you given Him absolute control of your life and future?If not, do is right NOW!
Pray now to the LORD and accept His forgiveness of all your sins through FAITH in His Son – God Jesus Christ!
Pray God right now And be saved!
God is bringing Judgement. Return of the Lord Jesus and His Judgement day should make difference in our behavior. Live your best in purity. Be excited about meeting with the Lord. You should anxiously await with joiful anticipation of the Lord’s return. If your hearts is filled with anticipation, excitement and joy, it indicates that you are walking with the Lord. If you are NOT sure and confident that if you would die today you would go to Heaven, it means you need to get right with God. If you never said- YES- to Jesus, do it today! If you have fallen away from the Lord, come back to Him today.
We will close with prayers: Father, we believe that Jesus is coming again. We believe we need to be ready. And Lord I am praying about any person who is reading my message and if they dont have confidence that they are ready for Your return, help them to come to You today and get right with You now. Amen.
First, recognise brother, that you are sinner. Be sorry for your sin. And ask God to forgive you right now. The way as we do that TROUGH PRAYER. That’s how we communicate with God.I’d like to lead you in prayer. If you want Christ to forgive your sins. If you want to know that when you will die you will go to Heaven then pray this prayer with me right now:
God, I know I am a sinner. And I am sorry for what I have done. And I turn from my sin now and ask You to forgive me. Thank You that Your Son Jesus Christ died on the cross and shed His blood for me. Be my Savior and my Lord. And be my friend. I want to follow You from this day forward. Fill me with Your Spirit. And help me to be Your disciple. Thank You for accepting me. Thank You for forgiving me. Thank You that I am now YOURS. In Jesus’ name I pray. Amen.
If you sincerely asked God to forgive you then WELCOME to the family of God. Now you are adopted by God. Now you bacame His son and His inheritance. His angels have written your name in the Book of Life. And you have the BRIGHT FUTURE.
God Jesus said:
“I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word
and believes him
who sent mehas eternal life and will not be condemned;
he has crossed over from death to life.John 5:24
Walk with God and live eternally Arab nation! Amen.
Rev. 4:8 “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come.”
Brothers, God Jesus is COMING BACK to us to the earth. Be prepared to LIVE with Him and not to die without Him! Repent and make your ways straight. To make your ways straight, then, please the Lord in all you do by BELIEVING in His Son Jesus Christ.
Turn away from a life of sin to a life of righteousness (Rom. 12:21).
This is the way of peace (Luke 1:79).
It is also the way to prosperity, blessings, answered prayer, joy and every good thing (Prov. 13:21; 1 John 3:22; Heb. 13:21).
If you prayed this simple prayer aboveor if you need more information orstill have questions about who Jesus is or if you want to believe in God Jesus then please email me and contact me (contacts are below) because we should be together. God called us as believers in Him or CHURCH.
Contradictions in Islam and Qur’an
How many sacred months are there?
Is there compulsion in Islam?
Yes, unless the disbelievers pay you.
Will Allah reward the good deeds of non-Muslims?
Who sends disbelievers astray?
For whom is salvation?
For all pious theists
For all pious theists
For Muslims only
For Muslims only
How to treat those who do not believe in an afterlife
What to do with infidel family?
Stay with family
Dont stay with family
People of the Book
Should Muslims have Christians for friends?
Christians and Jews hate or love each other?
Hate each other
Love each other
Can you marry non-Muslims?
Yes (even though Qur’an 9;29 calls Christians idolaters)
Do Muslims and non-Muslim theists worship the same god?
Questions and Answers
Conversation with Sazie Johnson:
You wrote: “…the Bible is corrupt and the Quran is not.”
At what time did the Bible become corrupt? —Before or after the 7th century A.D.? My understanding is that Muhammad’s god spoke no ill-word about the Bible. In fact throughout the Quran he endorsed (approved) the Bible. Unless you have a Quran verse that projects the contrary or says otherwise, I believe you are suggesting that Allah made a mistake in the 7th century A.D. He should have read the Bible before claiming he authored it.
However; you do not seem to understand the scope of the problem: Allah could not read. Allah, Muhammad, and his angel are one and the same person. Bukhari VoL. 6, Book 60, No 475: Narrated Jundub bin Sufyan: “Once Allah’s Apostle became sick and could not offer his night prayer for two or three nights. Then a lady came and said, “O Muhammad! I think that your Satan has forsaken you, for I have not seen him with you for two or three nights!” On that Allah revealed Q 93.1-3: “By the fore-noon your Lord (O Muhammad) has neither forsaken you, nor hated you.”
That sounds like a desperate man trying to cover his lies.
You wrote: “How was Allah before Jesus Christ came on Earth? Was he one, two or three?”
Let me explain it this way: Interestingly, of the 99 names Muslims attribute to Allah two names are purposely and mysteriously missing: (1) the name “Father” and (2) the name “Love”. The Bible states that God a “Father” and God is “Love” — (1st John 4:8 & 16). One needs not be a collage graduate to know that love cannot exist in isolation (aloneness), because Love has two purposes: (1) to extend itself and (2) to be accepted. That means Love requires two people: One person to extend or to show love and the other person to accept love. Because Allah is not Love, Muslims do not have to answer this question: If Allah is Love, who did He love before creation?
To argue that Allah has no need for love is to equally argue that Allah is not of “something” that has a need and a purpose? Love has a need and a purpose — to extend itself and to be accepted. We can thus conclude that Allah is not a god of love.
Hello Wilad Ashoor,
You wrote: “The Illustrated Bible Dictionary records: “The word Trinity is not found in the Bible. . . It did not find a place formally in the theology of the church till the 4th century.”
That is correct. The word “Trinity” is not mentioned in Holy Scriptures. And again you are right to say the word “Trinity” was introduced to the Church in the early 4th century. You seem knowledgeable on the origin of the Word “Trinity”. And I like that.
The Christian Faith is centered on the Holy Trinity, which states that there is a “One God” who is the indivisible (undivided) union of Father, Son, and Spirit. Notably your argument is that the “Holy Trinity” is unfounded and unjustifiable because the word itself is not mentioned in the Bible. Of course we cannot call your argument one of an intellectual discourse (discussion) for this simple reason: The Islamic Faith is centered on the Arabic word “Tawhid” or “Tawheed” which describes the “Oneness of Allah.” The Quran mentions no such word. And yet you believe that the word “Tawhid” which describe the “Oneness of Allah” is a valid argument.
Just like the word “Tawhid” the word “Trinity” was created to capture the plurality within the “One Spirit Entity” called God. Unlike the “Tawhid” the Holy Trinity can be explained in the light of Holy Scriptures. An atom is a trinity. It consists of three sub-particles: (1) protons, (2) electrons, and (3) Neutrons. “Tawhid” or the “Total Aloneness” of Allah cannot be explained in light of the Quran.
Would you like to try explaining why Allah, in his “Total Aloneness,” refers to himself as “we”?
The Quran is a book that continually defeats itself. On page 97 of his book entitled “The History of Islamic Law” the Islamic scholar, Dr. Shalabi writes: “If the Quran is translated into a non-Arabic language, it will lose its eloquent inimitability.” This is what Dr. Shalabi is saying: If the Quran is translated into another language, then it means the Quran can be reproduced. To reproduce the Quran is to go goes against Quran 10:37-38 which reads, “This Quran is not such as can be produced by other than Allah…” This puts Muslims in a bind or a jam. They have to believe that Allah care more about the Quran not been reproduced than he care about showing his love as an example by which mankind lives in peace and harmony. In that case the Quran defeats itself when it claims it is universal for all mankind, because the Quran outside of the Arabic language is not fit for human acceptance.
The Quran is a book that continually defeats itself.
Conversation with my brother Basharat about UNITY or Tri-Unity of God
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The Doctine of Trinity in Christian religion has, so many time been discussed and replied by followers of Islam . How far the doctrine stood to reasoning? – We believe in ONE God. Look I am ONE – Bahira- and at the same time I am 3 (body, soul, spirit). When my body will die I will be judged. Who am I? Who will be judged? So, I am living in the body the same way as God Jesus lived in the body. He was incarnated into human body but He was and is SPIRIT. God is Spirit and NOT human being. We are created in God’s image. So, God Son, Father and Ruh Al Qudus are THREE and UNITED. They are acting in unity and their ESSENCE or nature is the same- GOD. So, that’s why we believe in ONE God. The same way as Arab father is Arab, his son is Arab and wife is Arab. Arab nation is ONE. Water could also be in different forms (steam, ice, snow) but its nature is WATER.
In the eyes of Christian priests it is a matter of belief or faith and it should not be subjected to any logic or philosophy. This is very upsetting. because it is only a blind following. Is God so unjust and cruel to expect man to believe in a doctrine about Himself, which no human brain can ever reasonably conceive. How the Everliving God who being the Everliving Life itself, can also at the same time be a mortal that is be a man to suffer death at the hands of the other mortals?
– God Jesus willingly accepted death. His Father knew that Jesus was going to take ALL sins of the world to His body to justify many people through their FAITH in Him that’s why He didn’t kill enemies of Jesus. Mission of Jesus was SALVATION on the cross and NOT violence in killing enemies. He is God of LOVE and He came to the earth to reveal us who is His FATHER – God who is JUSTICE and LOVE. God Jesus is IMMORTAL. But body is mortal..it was human body. But even God resurrected His body to show us that NOTHING is impossible for Him.
And how the same mortal being at the same time could be the Absolute Immortal God?
– God is Immortal and Jesus is Immortal. Jesus was living in the body of human being like water would be poured into vessel.
Sister, suppose you want me to prove by some mathematical formula how water can remain water and at the same time be fire, or how a stone can be a stone at the same time be water too, how can I do it ?– Yes. Correct. God who is SPIRIT didn’t change His essence by BEING God in a human body. He just lived there like I am living in my body. But after death my life will not be ended I will be judged.
I do not think any sensible man on earth can ever conceive such a possibility. Sister the problem is that you want every person to believe and they merely believe in it and none has any choice of even questioning the practicability of this inconceivable dogma.– We have MIND and intelligence to analyze and question everything because God said if we will seek for Him, He will FIND us.
The fact is when God, Whom we believe as One, is Absolutely One Being is His perfect unity, it means that God is singularly one in natural essence of His existence, free from any different or variant factors having anything to do with His pure or Absolute Unity to justify His being The Absolute One, owing an indivisible existence, by Himself. Division suggests that the one is not an Absolute One, but a compound of some variants and that which is a composed being can never be really one in the true meaning of oneness.
– Look I am ONE and have many compounds. I (ONE body in this case) consist of brain, hands and nervous system. I am moving hand by order of my brain through nervous system. So, let’s imagine: God Father is Brain. Jesus is hands. The Holy Spirit is nervous system or blood. So, God Father created EVERYTHING by His Word (Jesus) through His Spirit (The Holy Spirit). Like if brain would send signal or order through nervous system to hands. So, who did buid the building? Bahira? Who? I am ONE. But by means of BRAIN and BLOOD…or NERVOUS SYSTEM this building was constracted by me, for instance. So, that’s why God created everything by His Son Jesus..the stars, planets…everything through His Spirit. Do not forget we are created in His IMAGE.
Another explanation to your question: Division suggests that the one is not an Absolute One, but a compound of some variants and that which is a composed being can never be really one in the true meaning of oneness.
Water is ONE but it consists of MANY molecules and chemical elements which actually ALLOW us to see one substance called WATER. The same way we are Christians called as body of God Jesus united by the Holy Spirit. Why? Because we are Ummah who are like one body called church to worship God on the earth and eternally.
And certainly the one dependent in its existence upon its different components can never be independent in its action, whereas God is the Absolute One, Indepndently Omnipotent in His Will and His Action.- Look brother I and ACTING like ONE. I am not asking my hand what to do. I am ORGANISED or my body parts are subordinated the same way as God Father is Greater than Son. So, Son is subordinated to Father but He is EQUAL in Power. This concept is also explained in the Scripture.
Besides how can any three which are three separate beings, with three variations justify their being three separate entities, remain there separately as they are and at the same time by themselves lose their different individual native properties differentiating them from each other, and become conceivably the absolute indivisible one, without the least variation in the essential oneness. – Bother, look I am TREE and ONE. But my words are the same as my mind. My words are product or byproduct of my mind. By my words I could be justified and condemned in the court. Why? Because my words are ME. The same way God Jesus according to Qur’an and the Bible was called Kalimat-ullah or the Word of God. It means He is the EXACT representation of God Father. He is Father the same way like my words are me even if they would be written or recorded with a tape recorder. Properties are the same because I am ACTING in unity with my body parts …and even with words..the same way God is Acting in UNITY and this UNITY was called by Him as Oneness. He said: God is ONE.
And Absolute one must be totally independent in its existence as it is impossible to reason out the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. – Yes. God is ONE and He is independent from other beings.
The science of Mathematics or any other science which any human genius can ever conceive until the end of time, can never solve this inconceivable riddle.– The science of mathematics was not created by God. But through mathematics scientists are TRYING to discover who is God. So, science is like eyes trying to look into the universe where God is living. We are not able to understand His Nature unless we would READ His revelations He PERSONALLY He gave us in the Holy Scripture called the Bible.
The only thing is that Christians are shut out of the vast sources of knowledge about the ‘truth’ and of the higher factors in matters of religion which are available outside their own fold, by damning every non-Christian as the devil’s work. – I know Islam better than Muslim scholars. We are STUDYING Islam to show you the ONLY One God who EXISTED before the creation of the Islam. Islam was invented after God gave His revelations about His personality and Jesus..over 300 prophecies…. So, if we would not LOOK for God we will fall down to the hell fire like to garbage can because we refused to use our mind, analysis and our intelligence and we agreed just to believe in cow instead of CREATOR of cow.
Sister I presume my reply has covered all your matter of your email.– Of course I loved your questions and assumptions. Thank you brother.
With sincere regards,
God bless you and save you! Amen.
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Sister, salvation is very simple: through FAITH in God Jesus, REPENTANCE and CONFESSION of your sins.
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Here I am, Lord. Send me.
Leprosy Cast Them Out; God’s Love Takes Them In
November 7, 2010
An infectious skin disease spread over Kavita Das’s body. Frightened by the visible ulcerations on their daughter’s skin, Kavita’s family cast her out of their house and sent her to a home for people with leprosy.
Rejected and ostracized, Kavita now shares her life with 14 others in similar circumstances. They live dejected lives with little-to-no sense of hope. If they’re lucky, a relative or two will stop by and visit for a short while. Some of those leprosy patients have spent 35 to 40 years at the home without a single visitor.
A Gospel for Asia-supported Women’s Fellowship team consisting of five women missionaries visited Kavita and the other broken-hearted victims of leprosy who live at the home. The men and women eagerly opened their lives to the missionaries and shared their struggles.
“Sisters,” Kavita said, “we have no hope.”
The Women’s Fellowship members listened to every story, some spoken with overflowing tears. They encouraged them with the hope found in Jesus Christ and selflessly offered their time and love.
When they were leaving, the men and women urged the missionaries to visit them again.
The Women’s Fellowship team asks for prayer concerning this situation, that God will continue to open doors for them to help and care for these precious men and women who need love so desperately.
Wheelchair Shows Jesus’ Love
March 4, 2009
Musuri Akand can get around by himself now—something he couldn’t do until several believers and Gospel for Asia missionaries in Karnataka, India, gave him a wheelchair. The group demonstrated the love of Christ to Musuri and 49 other physically disabled people by distributing gifts like wheelchairs and hand-cranked sewing machines at a special service on December 20.
As a laborer in the city, Musuri had struggled to keep his wife and four children fed. But through hard work, they made ends meet. Then one day, things got much worse.
While Musuri was loading luggage on top of a city bus, he came in contact with a live electrical wire. The shock caused severe injuries to Musuri’s body, and doctors even had to amputate one of his legs. His recovery process was long and painful, and despite receiving treatment at two different hospitals, his condition did not improve.
Doctors finally told Musuri and his family that he would suffer from the difficult pain for the rest of his life. Discouraged by this news, Musuri found no hope in the traditional gods he worshipped. But one day, he discovered the peace only found in Christ. Encouraged by the news of a Savior who cared about his wounds, Musuri trusted in Jesus. And now he tells everyone how the Lord has given him extra grace to endure the difficult situations in his life with courage and strength.
As a way to reach out to this man and his family, the believers and missionaries gave Musuri a three-wheeled wheelchair especially designed for the rough Indian streets. He was incredibly moved and grateful for the generous gift.
The ceremony also provided many other poverty-stricken people like Musuri with the equipment they need to better handle their disabilities. Many local government officials commended the GFA missionaries for their acts of compassion toward those who are suffering and downtrodden. And as each gift was given, the message of Christ reached out to the lives of all who attended.
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So why all the rush and anxiety that we allow to be in our minds???
Lord, my pray for my brother Jeff, keep his mind full of your peace, love and confidence, please give him the strengths to deal with every day tasks at his Job, bless his wife and kids …
In the precious name of your son Jesus I pray!
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Whether we choose to follow and obey Jesus
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